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You keep using yourself as a reference

Yeah, no– one time. In the context of a glaringly obvious analogy that could have had literally anyone else on the planet who’s ever pulled off a cool move plugged in instead. Diversion attempt denied.
 
Diversion attempt? A character who is defined by their ability to make almost anything out of anything and get out of almost any situation not being able to. A character who is defined as being so good at magic she’s the Element of Magic and the personal student of Celestia forgetting she can do any actual magic. It’s an apt analogy.
 
Look, I get that what you really wanted was Twilight Sparkle: Rainbow Mane Six Tier 1 Tactical Operator
 
No, what I wanted was the character who is the Element of Magic and now an Alicorn, to actually use magic to solve one, just ONE of the problems tossed at them. Season 1 Twilight handled some situations far more dangerous than some of situations in the movie. Oh no, a gang of people want to take us. That’s so much scarier than an Ursa Minor. Oh no, we’re falling out of a balloon. That completely negates my ability to think until we splat against the rocks and die.
 
My point is time and time again, over and over there were situations where BASIC MAGIC would’ve solved the issue. But no, apparently she forgot how to cast any spell beyond telekinesis and laser blasts that did nothing.
 
You can say what you like, you can try to justify it any way you like, but the truth is it was for plot convenience. The same way Stormtroopers can’t hit shit until they need to. The same way just the right systems get hit with the first blast in Star Trek to disable ships and make the episode dramatic. They nerfed her magic ability because otherwise most of the situations they put them in would’ve been solved instantly.
 
It is an observable fact at multiple points throughout the series that Twilight trips herself up under stress
 
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Do I need to keep going on with situations that she was under serious stress yet didn’t forget every single spell she knew? She doesn’t need to be perfect. But you know what? In none of those situations did she forget all the magic she knew. For days.
 
Starlight Glimmer, who is objectively not even close to the same power level, was countering and foiling and diverting and parrying her to a standoff even when she was genuinely pissed off and actually trying
 
You seemed to have missed the pissed-off arguments about how that was bullshit and ALSO a plot contrivance.
 
We’re not going to get anywhere. All I’m saying is they “dumbed” her down for the movie so the plot would actually work. You’re saying it’s “logical” and “in character” for her to crumble to uselessness at the slightest resistance or stress. If that were true, Equestria would’ve been doomed in season 1.
 
You obviously loved the movie. Good for you. I had issues with it, as did many people. And this happens to be one of my biggest ones. I could see if there was one or two situations where she was helpless. But not the entire damn movie. Especially not in situations where imminent danger wasn’t even present. The desert? Hiding at Capper’s? A teleport would’ve solved the issue. Or even when imminent danger was present. The pirates on the ship? Hey, shame she doesn’t know a shield spell, or practically any other spell that would’ve helped them, oh wait…
 
They made her into Twilight Useless for the movie so the plot would flow. Again, there’s a trope named for this: Idiot Ball. Look it up.
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Aren’t you?
 
No. I’m not. Are you even following this conversation?
 
@Vinyl Fluff  
You keep using yourself as a reference
 
Yeah, no– one time. In the context of a glaringly obvious analogy that could have had literally anyone else on the planet who’s ever pulled off a cool move plugged in instead. Diversion attempt denied.
 
Look, I get that what you really wanted was Twilight Sparkle: Rainbow Mane Six Tier 1 Tactical Operator, but that is fundamentally not who she is; Starlight Glimmer, who is objectively not even close to the same power level, was countering and foiling and diverting and parrying her to a standoff even when she was genuinely pissed off and actually trying, just because Twilight was, in her words, “…sooooo predictable”. What do you think that predictability was based on? It is an observable fact at multiple points throughout the series that Twilight trips herself up under stress, especially when she’s hit with curveballs and unexpected situations. You’re getting mad at her portrayal for being in character; “the entire freaking movie” is not a valid argument here, any sports fan can tell you that longs strings of fuggups have a cumulative effect on morale and capability and just make further fuggups even more likely.
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I’ve done “a ton of badass stuff” in my life, too, that doesn’t stop me hurling pickles all over the kitchen trying to get the lid off the jar.
 
You keep using yourself as a reference, but we’re not talking about you. Or me. Or anyone else except Twilight. Yes, she’s screwed up plenty of times. She’s also helped save Equestria how many times? And how many episodes showed her under extreme stress but yet she pulled through? Having her seemingly forget every single spell she knew except two was a plot contrivance, nothing more, nothing less. And it was over the course of the entire freaking movie. It would be like being locked with MacGuyver in a warehouse full of random gadgets, duct tape, paper clips, liquid chemicals, construction equipment and other random assorted hardware and he telling you he has no idea on how to get the door open. And you saying “Yeah, that’s understandable. It’s stressful, so it’s not out of the ordinary for him to become a dumbass.”
 
It really felt like a movie written for people who had never seen the show before.
It honestly kind of probably was. Parents who probably have never seen the show would have likely have gone to the theaters to watch it with their children.
Plus there might have been some new audience members getting into the series through the movie. I recall a while back someone who had never seen the series before asked me if she needed to watch the entire series to get into the movie and I pretty much said, “It’s not necessary” and explained how the movie pretty much reintroduces the characters so to speak in the opening anways.
 
Yeah, the first few minutes was the requisite “Here are the character’s names and barest personality traits” bit.
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It really felt like a movie written for people who had never seen the show before.
 
It honestly kind of probably was. Parents who probably have never seen the show would have likely have gone to the theaters to watch it with their children.
 
Plus there might have been some new audience members getting into the series through the movie. I recall a while back someone who had never seen the series before asked me if she needed to watch the entire series to get into the movie and I pretty much said, “It’s not necessary” and explained how the movie pretty much reintroduces the characters so to speak in the opening anways.
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the characters have performed well under pressure before
 
They’ve also effed up worse under less pressure. I’m not the one trying to sell unsupported absolutes here.
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I think those cases are less blatant than what overall occurred in the movie, because the characters have performed well under pressure before. It’s only as good as it’s being sold. If you buy it, good then. Some do not.
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We know how protective he is of Fluttershy
 
Where was he when Starlight was ganking her cutie mark, or dooming her to a life of misery in a war-torn alternaverse, or mind-controlling her to the point she didn’t notice bugs crawling on her eyeballs? Where was he when the entire Frozen North was trying to freeze her to death? Where was he when she almost got smashed/eaten/blasted by the Pony Of Shadows? Where was he when the Tantabus was all up in her brains and then tried to destroy her along with Ponyville?
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@TexasUberAlles  
Actually, Discord not being involved is an asspull by the writers. We know how protective he is of Fluttershy and wouldn’t let her be in that kind of danger if he knew about it. There’s also the fact that there were literally no guards to help as well. And it’s not just for this movie. It’s been the entire series that Twilight forgets 90% of her spells in order for the plot to work.
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unless he was literally in another dimension
 
So… at home, then.
 
Also, I think you may be overestimating Discord’s overprotectiveness, what with him also being nowhere in sight while Fluttershy nearly froze to death along with everyone else in the Crystal Empire, or when she got wrecked in all those abortive alternate universes Starlight created/opened portals to, or when she got equal-signed, or…
 
@Vinyl Fluff  
I’ve done “a ton of badass stuff” in my life, too, that doesn’t stop me hurling pickles all over the kitchen trying to get the lid off the jar. We’ve also seen Twilight make, uh, one or two dumbass mistakes before. Sometimes a whole lot of them in the same episode.  
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Discord is his own excuse for not showing up, all it takes to explain it is “he thought it would be funnier to watch everyone run around and panic while he ate popcorn”; that’s not headcanon or asspulling or the writers trying to inconvenience you, personally, it is literally a thing he has done onscreen, with actual popcorn.
 
 
Except the fact that Fluttershy was in mortal danger as well would most certainly had resulted in him getting involved and turning the Storm King and his stooges into mice with a snap of his fingers. Really unless he was literally in another dimension there isn’t a logical reason for him not to be in the movie other than plot convenience.
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Nothing that happened in The Movie was the least bit out of character or unusual for any of them, up to and including all of the characters forgetting to act like min/maxer RPG munchkins redlining their stats. The characters just aren’t like that.
 
I don’t understand how people can defend the fact that Twilight, THE Twilight Sparkle, the one we’ve seen do a ton of badass magic spells in the show, is suddenly reduced to practically Trixie-levels of magic ability just so they can continue to be put in peril and then go “Yep, that’s totally logical. I see nothing wrong with this. It’s completely in line with the show.”
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You forgot that all of Equestria was congregated in Canterlot
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Discord is his own excuse for not showing up, all it takes to explain it is “he thought it would be funnier to watch everyone run around and panic while he ate popcorn”; that’s not headcanon or asspulling or the writers trying to inconvenience you, personally, it is literally a thing he has done onscreen, with actual popcorn.
 
Nothing that happened in The Movie was the least bit out of character or unusual for any of them, up to and including all of the characters forgetting to act like min/maxer RPG munchkins redlining their stats. The characters just aren’t like that.
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The entire movie was the aftermath of seeing her idol turned to stone and her entire world enslaved, I think that you forgot to factor in trauma
 
“Entire world” = Canterlot, then? Seeing that we don’t see any other pony territory in the movie at all save for a split-second, blink-and-you-miss-it glimpse at Ponyville.
 
But sorry, no, I’m not buying it. This is the freaking Element of Magic and personal student of Princess Celestia. Short of something like Celestia being literally killed in front of her, I don’t think that shock would make her forget every single spell she knows save for telekinesis and ineffective magic blasts.
 
They had to dumb it down to make the threat work. Plain and simple. Again: Idiot Ball trope.
 
Anything else is just trying to come up with excuses for poor writing.
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The entire movie was the aftermath of seeing her idol turned to stone and her entire world enslaved, I think that you forgot to factor in trauma
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There were multiple times where teleportation would’ve solved an issue

I could solve all my problems with molotov cocktails, too, and then I’d just have different problems. How many times has Superman forgotten he has heat vision? He probably gets in more fights on a daily basis than Princess Twilight Friendship-O’Sparkle; Dash is the only one in the group who could lay any claim to being a trained fighter, maybe Rarity depending on headcanon, and it is not the least bit unreasonable to expect that people who aren’t trained to respond like fighters would, y’know, not respond like fighters.
 
Your arguement breaks down when it’s literally the entire movie. This isn’t one situation. Not just one, high-stress life-or-death situation. It’s literally the entire freaking movie. The equivalent would be a Superman movie where he forgot he had any powers other than flight.
 
It was done so the plot of the movie could work. Same reason they Worf the princesses and Discord wasn’t included. Doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.
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you’re applying physical reality to a children’s cartoon
 
No, I’m using physical reality as a relatable example of something that happens frequently in-universe. Unicorn Twilight lost her brains over being tardy; Princess Twilight was whang-a-bangin’ the Sun and Moon around in the sky; Spike couldn’t load fire.exe when the entire Crystal Empire was watching; Applejack ran away from Ponyville rather than admit she was only second or third best; Fluttershy let a bunch of dinguses build a garbage animal sanctuary; Rarity turned her friends into sweatshop slaves; Pinkie sold her Party Cannon; Rainbow Dash melted in front of the other Wonderbolts. All of our main characters have effed up big time under pressure before, and the greater the pressure the more serious the failure.
 
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There were multiple times where teleportation would’ve solved an issue
 
I could solve all my problems with molotov cocktails, too, and then I’d just have different problems. How many times has Superman forgotten he has heat vision? He probably gets in more fights on a daily basis than Princess Twilight Friendship-O’Sparkle; Dash is the only one in the group who could lay any claim to being a trained fighter, maybe Rarity depending on headcanon, and it is not the least bit unreasonable to expect that people who aren’t trained to respond like fighters would, y’know, not respond like fighters.
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Also lol at all-a people in here who act like they’d be able to perfectly whip out every applicable skill they have under sudden life-or-death pressure; there’s a reason people like military personnel and martial artists and bodyguards and first responders practice constantly to be able to respond instantly.
 
There’s a difference between one isolated incident of extreme stress and literally forgetting skills for the entire movie.
 
There were multiple times where teleportation would’ve solved an issue. Klugetown for example. “Oh no, we’ve got people surrounding us. Shame we need a song and dance routine from an untrustworthy cat to escape.” Or the desert. Sure they didn’t know the exact direction to go, but Twi could’ve helped them along rather than simply do a tired “walk through the desert” cliche scene.
 
There have been examples in the show of stressful situations where they had no problems using their skills. The movie just flat-up ignored most of Twi’s spells for the idiot ball trope.
 
There are times when said ability would come in handy during the series, but I don’t see anyone raising the issue when discussing, say, “Gauntlet of Fire”.
 
I’ve seen plenty of discussion about moments in the series where said abilities would come in handy but weren’t used. Some straight-up arguments in fact.
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Besides which, I thought bronies would prefer to forget that episode anyway.
 
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@Vinyl Fluff  
There are times when said ability would come in handy during the series, but I don’t see anyone raising the issue when discussing, say, “Gauntlet of Fire”.