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An edited image from one previously upload, yet with hopefully improved wording so the point is actually understood better. This being that the fandom has generally always been far more bias towards Luna, and have show to be more likely to get upset with those who bash or make fun of her. Yet often it has felt like it is open season when it comes to people bashing or making fun of Celestia with less complaint, and many not even seeing the problem with this or finding such behavior justified.
If anyone can help with a better edit, let me know.
Edit: Also a few other things. This upload was not made as drama bait, nor am I trying to start shit, and I am not a duck. No, instead I edited and uploaded this so as to make a point and have it be clearer then what was uploaded previously. I will fix any tag changes that go against this.
If anyone can help with a better edit, let me know.
Edit: Also a few other things. This upload was not made as drama bait, nor am I trying to start shit, and I am not a duck. No, instead I edited and uploaded this so as to make a point and have it be clearer then what was uploaded previously. I will fix any tag changes that go against this.
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“I’m not worth it”.
No one said it’s a big deal.
All I did was point out how anytime Rainbow Dash fucks up in an episode since Mysterious Mare Do Well, people have done their best to rationalize her actions and pass fault to others than just admitting she fucked up.
Someone is incredibly defensive. I mean you dug up a 5 month old post and say “I’m not worth it.”
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The way you’ve been defending Starlight is laughable. She nearly destroys the world but we should just get over that because she said she was sorry and she had her reasons or something. But Dash being kind of a jerk sometimes is a BIG deal that we should never let her live down and constantly rush to point out in every episode that features her in some way.
Like I care if you take me seriously. You’re inept defenses of garbage characters like Starlight confirms you’re not worth it.
Did you really reply to a 5 month old post for this?
And it’s really hard for me to take serious someone defending RD with “dashie” in their name.
That just screams that you’re one of the people who don’t like to admit when she screws up.
You’re acting like she did something as bad as Luna did. RD’s arrogance is harmless and played for laughs, it’s not a goddamn crime for her to think highly of herself. It’s not like anyone can prove her wrong anyway. Saying
she’s not as awesome as she thinks she is” and never giving a valid reason for why she isn’t is more annoying than her bragging ever gets.
Basically, it comes off as “you hate her ‘cause you ain’t her”. Jealousy.
Actually that was an accident, and I haven’t uploaded again with a fix because I don’t want to add more copies of this. I have just hoped most people didn’t notice my typo and just took what was being offered. Sighs.
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Do mind that there are such things as consequences. You know, the whole action-reaction thing?
Well, you can’t see consequences in the show for things that might or might not have happened during those 1000 years.
The show’s writers use the whole “Celestia and Luna did something 1000 years ago and it’s now being undone” card too much.
Nightmare? 1000 years ago.
Discord? 1000 years ago.
Sombra? 1000 years ago.
Tirek? 1000 years ago.
Chrysalis? Doesn’t count, she was probably infiltrating.
So even in this, we see how the writers subconsciously tried to downplay Celestia so she would do squat without Luna and/or Twilight.
Also, consider this, the most inventions we had in our 1000 years… occurred in the last 100 years.
If Equestria would hold to the pattern we would see more than a steam-powered train. They do have fridges, though…
I’m sure they have electricity considering that one episode, which showed a proper hydroelectric dam.
Don’t get me started on the whole Weather Factory thing too, that’s a weird mix of technology and magic.
And yet… yet! They are still using manual things too much. And build houses with thatch roofs.
Yeah, most of it could be attributed to societal/physiological differences, but even then…
How could an immortal, unchanging monarch promote change and growth properly?
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That is the crutch of it, one should avoid the argument of “Well we didn’t see it so it didn’t happen”. At least when one is taking what is shown and expanding on it, considering what which would seem reasonable and most fitting for the setting despite not being strictly shown, mentioned, or spoken of in any detail. When providing more, not simply taken away what could be.
Myself, the way I look at it, is since Equestria is a nation, since Princess Celestia is a political leader, since she has ruled for over a 1000 years, with a military of some form or capacity even if the writers have not shown them in the best of light, since threats have revealed themselves and that there are neighboring nations or races not always friendly, as well characters who have shown they can do selfish, greedy, petty, powerful, and willing to do that which can harm others… well taking that all together I feel it is much more of worth to say things did happen then that they did not.
What is better, saying nothing happened in a thousand years, that everything has been boring and uneventful, that Princess Celestia has been sitting on her big flank doing paperwork… or that things did happen and she was apart of such things? That Equestria and those who have called it home have found themselves involved in adventure, great danger, battles or even wars, with threats, monsters, and villains showing themselves that Princess Celestia and others had to step forward in actions?
I am sorry, but one allows for a far greater narrative and interesting potential for storytelling while the other is unfair or lacking of worth. An active narrative is far better then a passive one, and even if such details were never shown I feel it is far more logical and reasonable to say things did happen in a 1000 years then didn’t.
I mean just consider what The 100 Most Significant Events of the Last Thousand Years or even the The Greatest Inventions In The Past 1000 Years, though it was Philo T. Farnsworth who invented the television and John Baird is being credited as such. Also putting aside that the details may often be subjective but I feel this proves my point. That saying nothing of note happened is both unsound and unreasonable in just about every sense of the word.
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Not really, i just the opposed the “we didnt see it so it didnt happen” arguements, or at least that was my intention.
Aren’t you doing the exact same thing though, expecting real-world challenges to governance from, in your own words, a “kids show.”
Agreed, but I waited as there was those offering defense for Princess Celestia as a ruler.
Maybe you are expecting too much from a kids show, they dumbed it down waaay over the top if you ask me but thats just how it is in general. Was still enjoyable for a kids cartoon.
Nothing runs itself though, equestria could just as much be a dump like the Griffins kingdom that from the lore itself is a literal “no one does anything” in regards to ruling, because they lost their symbol of rulership. But mostly because they didnt do anything about it, with how much time passed most didnt even care about it anyway just lived their lives in a semi-anarchy.
Even just passing laws and having them enforced is doing something. She doesnt need to go around fixing stuff herself if she has others, plus with how big equestria is i doubt she could. Though we did have the parasprite episode where she had to go fix the infestation in umm Fillydelphia(?).
Well, considering Equestria runs itself quite well without almost any input from Celestia?
Like I said, she’s a good administrator and created a system which works. That I give to her.
But being proactive and seeking out problems? Like Twilight did and does?
Nope, too busy being the visible threat from her throne room and occasional public appearance.
Ugh. The latest episode doesn’t help with this discussion too, introducing new canon mechanics…
Also, Starlight Glimmer OP, plz nerf.
Again, if we lack evidence that she didnt do anything, we lack evidence she didnt do nothing either. Either could be true BUT:
But if you spend even a second thinking about it, what makes more sense of this two? Im asking honestly here, for me it makes more sense that she well… ruled like a ruler. So doing something.
Then again if some people think that ruling is unimportant and that having a strong government with laws and rules is unimportant for the existence of a nation then fine, i guess.
But, we also can’t say she did something, due to lack of evidence in that direction also.
Which gives ammunition to the argument that she could have done nothing and Equestria could have come out as it did.
Canon history during those 1000 years is just not explored enough.
@orbsah
Maybe. Maybe not. The topic is not explored enough except for that Griffonstone episode and the Yakyakistan episode.
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Hm good to know then regarding the eup/royal guard. Cool.
I could have picked a better comparison true, but lack of evidence of something doesnt mean that that something doesnt exist at all. Just because we didnt see celestia doing anything to keep equeatria safe during the 1000 years she ruled alone, doesnt mean she didnt do anything.
Just like because we can make cures for almost anything doesnt mean people dont die from diseases that we could have prevented them from dying.
Quoting the wiki :
Royal Guards
The royal guards, some also referred to as the E.U.P. (Earth, Unicorn, Pegasus) Guard of the Protective Pony Platoons, ^[]^ are various groups of armored stallion ponies, griffons, Hippogriffs, or gargoyles that serve various members of royalty. They act as bodyguards, ceremonial guards in festivities, soldiers, and chauffeurs on several occasions.*
* According to Amy Keating Rogers on DeviantArt, the E.U.P. Guard serves the same purpose as the royal guard, and though Celestia refers to them as such, “the name may have changed over the many, many years.”
And from Twilight’s lecture in that one Dash episode, we know the EUP was established to… protect Celestia.
At least that’s how it started.
Well, it was the first time we’ve seen them in action. They tend to blend with the background in other cases.
As for Changelings, I’ll cut the guards some slack as shapeshifting infiltrators are hard to combat. But still…
People die from lots of things.
You missed the point - I only meant to show that your comparison to a disease is not wholly fitting.
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Hmm yeah controling the sun is a
major thing, though considering if they conquer equestria in theoey they could just force the unicorns to do it. I imagine they would rather live(at least until they die from their magic being drained).
You forgot the existance of the E.U.P thats from my understanding different from the royal guard, we havent actually seen them sadly though besides the wonderbolts. Though i think the point of them is protecting Equestria as a whole rather then just the princess/es
And mentioning the first episode as a measure of the royal guards abilities is kind of ungenerous since the opponent was on the same level as celestia, who as you say obviously doesnt need them. If nothing elsebat least their loyal.
I like the canterlot wedding one as a better example, they still got owerhelmed in the end, but hey they tried at least lol.
And even today people die from the flu, in theory we could so a lot of things but its not always how it could/should be.
Oi, you’re skirting Godwin’s Law with your mention of WW2.
Like I said. Celestia is a good administrator. Bus she still has to do nothing to dissuade other nations from any action.
Anything as a fact. She’s the stereotypical benevolent dictator, even if that’s just by default.
Why? She. Controls. The. SUN. Okay? That’s a Sword of Damocles if I’ve ever seen one.
Why do I think that Celestia was the main obstacle of outside threats?
Because let’s face it, Equestria does not have an army.
THere’s Shining Armor, the Captain of the Guard, and a guard which is more like eye-candy for Celestia.
What do they protect? Supposedly, Canterlot and Celestia.
But… why protect the nigh-immortal near-goddess who herself holds the biggest threat to all life on the planet?
For appearance’s sake, mostly. We see how unnecessary they are during every single crisis.
Heck, it’s established right in the first episode of the first season when the guard are oh so easily brushed aside.
As for your disease anecdote, it’s very circumstantial. After all, if it doesn’t kill you, means you have the antibodies to it. And they, in turn, can be used to make a vaccine to theoretically stop everyone from getting the disease.
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Belgium was neutral and peaceful towards germany during WW2, still they got steamrolled by germany in 18 days at the start of WW2.
A peace nature is the default of the majority of Equestria, we still saw crocked and evil ponies exist within equestria and if nobody would do anything to stop them what could such ponies do, in your mind nothing i guess lol.
And ponies are peaceful by nature, but what about changelings , griffons, yaks and diamond dogs. They dont seem that peaceful. Why wasnt equestria conquered by outside forces long ago then. You could claim its the size of Equestria, but how would that matter if all ponies were peaceful pushovers and Celestia and the military never do anything and apparently wouldnt do anything to prevent let alone oppose a takeover.
You seem to hold a small to no view regarding the importance of ruling and keeping unity within ones own nation. But thats your own bias and cant help you there. You conflate “something did not happening” with “nothing at all happened”.
If you get a disease that can kill you but doesnt in the end, that means the disease cannot kill anyone because it didnt kill you, right?
Peace IS the default of Equestria. The only times the world has EVER had big issues are when BIG entities get motivated to screw up the balance.
But we DO have evidence Celestia did nothing. Like, say, an incarnation of Chaos that she used as a lawn ornament. Seems to me a hammer or a cell in a far-off location would have saved everyone a lot of headache.
And you are assuming that peace is kept for no reason whatsoever other then thats just it being the default. So you are also assuming something without evidence, since we have no whatsoever for what it was like before season 1.
Do you actually believe that? Or is it more likely that peace is kept by actions that are done to ensure peace and prosperity?
Do you beleieve that a nation can be like that for a 1000 years without any action taken to ensure it that way?
Even if there was no end of the world disaster happening, with enough small troubles any nation can go into ruins. Especially one where a leader does nothign like you believe.