@Archonix  
I am sorry thats harsh.  
I’ll just leave :c

@noobiestbrony  
Sorry miss :c

@Naughtypony2010
 
Can you not read?

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@Naughtypony2010  
Okay so then if Russia decided to invade your country and kill your people, you’d want the German military to just accept it and not fight back? Because by your logic, fighting back would be like fighting fire with fire and is therefore bad.

@Background Pony #B596  
Of course. But proportional calculation is a science that explains this more logically that its ‘just’ a different amount but the same percentage

@Naughtypony2010  
Germany has a population of 80 million people whereas the United States has a population of 320 million people so crime is going to be different based on population alone even if you took guns out of the equation entirely.

@Cirrus Light  
Indeed i meant the law itself for everyone to be able to wear a gun.  
Again it really does not sound right to me nor everyone with my fear on it that fighting fire with more fire is a good thing.
 
And we talk about shootings only her thats not all crimes that are done.  
Of course more shootings mean more average deaths.
 
Now imagine less guns. Because maybe the law is strict and its hard to own one being a civilist or one that wants to do a crime. Yes its working look at germany  
Now the rate of shootings are by far less. The rate of less effective weapons in use rises. Less effective weapons cause even less victims
 
Now i believe hard this is a very good explanation of the differences.  
And its not needed to be any different or my country would drown in crimes that end in more deaths. Which it doesnt

@Naughtypony2010  
I don’t think you mean to say it, but you’re kind of implying that we should just let shooters go on their shooting rampages, and shouldn’t shoot back.
 
I’m saying people need to be armed so they can shoot back.
 

 
Yes, war is terrible, but sometimes it’s the lesser evil to letting the holocaust cover the Earth.

@Cirrus Light  
we are living in a world trying to avoid anymore war. and war always stays the same. its often glorified. but it is horrifying. lets completely leave that aside as its bad anyways.  
only as much as they are enforced yes exactly thats what is causing risks and their seriousness and danger depent on what it includes.

@Naughtypony2010  
Yes. You fight fire with fire, if that’s what you’re calling it. We stopped the Nazis by shooting them, not by asking nicely or trying to pass an international law that they not invade other countries. When it comes right down to it, laws are only as effective as they are enforced.

@Cirrus Light  
all i hear from you is fight fire with more fire sorry. which is good?  
or are you calling it a right?  
this is all that is really fearful.  
all i want is to get down the facts.  
Yours and mine.  
while i respect we live in different countries and live different

@Naughtypony2010  
Yeah, I guess that’s possible. But you’re just focusing on that one incident. One that played out recently in the state I’m in right now, actually. But gun laws mean more than that. They mean you can defend yourself against an intruder in your home. There was also a shooter who went around a resturaunt executing people, and I remember an interview where a woman was talking about seeing her parents executed - they had had a gun in the car, could’ve stopped the shooter, but the restaraunt didn’t allow guns, so they obeyed that stupid request and 22 people died because of it (mind you, the killer could’ve easily used a knife to do the same with how he just went around from person to person).
 
Or what if one of the patrons at the Orlando shooting had a gun? Or one of the students at Columbine? I think you get my point. Engineer’s solution to this is pretty sound. Of course America isn’t a battlefield, but the principle that @TexasUberAlles explained earlier very much applies.
 
Yes, you’ve managed to create an extremely specific scenario where guns can cause an issue. But if a teacher at the school has a gun, then the shooter will be stopped, or if, as in the REAL story I linked above, the kids’ parents take notice and stop him, then it can end with no fatalities or even injuries. As for the vast majority of reality - a concealed carrying citizen stopping a guy robbing a store, mass shooters who were quickly stopped by guns - what Texas said pretty much applies.
 
You see, it’s like the Trolley Cart problem: you’ve got a Trolley Cart going down its rails out of control, and it’s approaching a switch. One switch will take it into a crowd of 10 people. A different switch will take it into a crowd of 3 people.
 
The shooter you’re describing is one of those 3 people. Mass shooters who can be and are stopped by citizens with legal, concealed carry, are the crowd of 10 people.
 
And the Cart doesn’t even have to hit those 3 people - again, as in that TRUE story I linked, even though there were guns there, there were still no fatalities or even injuries.
 

 
Also, you don’t live in a country with guns, so while this is all hypothetical to you, it’s very real for us, and we know that there will always be armed criminals, so we want to be armed to protect ourselves.
 
Also, see, the United States was a country born of violent revolution from the British, from citizens with guns. Also we re-introduced this idea of human equality and power in the people that Germany and the rest of the world had forgot. See, we respect the people of our country, and don’t ask “why do you need that?”, but believe in freedom, which means we get it unless there’s a pretty freakin’ huge reason not to, like nuclear or biological weapons. I know freedom is an alien concept to countries with hate speech laws, but it’s something we really believe in. If you don’t like it, fine, that’s why you’re not here, let’s keep it that way and we can both be happy - you in your oppression, us with our freedom. But to us, giving literal, physical power to the people, is a right.

@Background Pony #B596  
okay that is very good of you. it is just the matter of just those in use as ‘protection’ free for everyone

@Naughtypony2010  
I see what everyone else is saying, I’m trying to give you different perspectives on the issue. Plus I live in the United States and understand both points of view however it is very clear in our second amendment that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

@Takengrin Endmmar  
however then. bye. if your that forward without telling more in detail.

@Naughtypony2010  
Then YOUR DEAD TO ME…

@Takengrin Endmmar  
and what is the point in this?  
Also no i am no big gamer

@Naughtypony2010  
Fps = First person shooter = A GAME WITH GUNS

@Background Pony #B596  
look at the conversation. itlooks like you are not understanding

@Naughtypony2010  
Well in order to carry a gun legally you kinda have to own one first.

@Background Pony #B596  
that is no point here, its about ownership.

@Naughtypony2010  
And yet places where guns aren’t allowed are the places that get shot up. Meanwhile places that allow open and concealed carry have lower crime.

@Background Pony #B596  
hah and that is going beyond the safety for everyone? Probably not. Thats just typical. If anything it is a bad part of culture. seriously.