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Yeah, I guess that's possible. But you're just focusing on that one incident."[One that played out recently in the state I'm in right now, actually":](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/02/fast-acting-utah-parents-disarmed-their-teen-son-at-school-preventing-a-possible-tragedy/?utm_term=.d350155925c6). But gun laws mean more than that. They mean you can defend yourself against an intruder in your home. There was also a shooter who went around a resturaunt executing people, and I remember an interview where a woman was talking about seeing her parents executed - they had had a gun in the car, could've stopped the shooter, but the restaraunt didn't allow guns, so they obeyed that stupid request and 22 people died because of it (mind you, the killer could've easily used a knife to do the same with how he just went around from person to person).
Or what if one of the patrons at the Orlando shooting had a gun? Or one of the students at Columbine? I think you get my point."[Engineer's solution to this is pretty sound.":](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgNBsCI4EA&feature=youtu.be&t=33s) Of course America isn't a battlefield, but the principle that "[@TexasUberAlles":](/1313559#comment_5677856) explained earlier very much applies.
Yes, you've managed to create an extremely specific scenario where guns can cause an issue. But if a teacher at the school has a gun, then the shooter will be stopped, or if, as in the REAL story I linked above, the kids' parents take notice and stop him, then it can end with no fatalities or even injuries. As for the vast majority of reality - a concealed carrying citizen stopping a guy robbing a store, mass shooters who were quickly stopped by guns - what Texas said pretty much applies.
You see, it's like the Trolley Cart problem: you've got a Trolley Cart going down its rails out of control, and it's approaching a switch. One switch will take it into a crowd of 10 people. A different switch will take it into a crowd of 3 people.
The shooter you're describing is one of those 3 people. Mass shooters who can be and are stopped by citizens with legal, concealed carry, are the crowd of 10 people.
And the Cart doesn't even have to hit those 3 people - again, as in"[that **TRUE** story I linked":](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/02/fast-acting-utah-parents-disarmed-their-teen-son-at-school-preventing-a-possible-tragedy/?utm_term=.d350155925c6), even though there were guns there, there were still no fatalities or even injuries.
Also, you don't live in a country with guns, so while this is all hypothetical to you, it's very real for us, and we know that there will always be armed criminals, so we want to be armed to protect ourselves.
Also, see, the United States was a country born of violent revolution from the British, from citizens with guns. Also we re-introduced this idea of human equality and power in the people that Germany and the rest of the world had forgot. See, we respect the people of our country, and don't ask "why do you need that?", but believe in freedom, which means we get it unless there's a pretty freakin' huge reason not to, like nuclear or biological weapons. I know freedom is an alien concept to countries with hate speech laws, but it's something we really believe in. If you don't like it, fine, that's why you're not here, let's keep it that way and we can both be happy - you in your oppression, us with our freedom. But to us, giving literal, physical power to the people, is a right.
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Yeah, I guess that's possible. But you're just focusing on that one incident.
Or what if one of the patrons at the Orlando shooting had a gun? Or one of the students at Columbine? I think you get my point.
Yes, you've managed to create an extremely specific scenario where guns can cause an issue. But if a teacher at the school has a gun, then the shooter will be stopped, or if, as in the REAL story I linked above, the kids' parents take notice and stop him, then it can end with no fatalities or even injuries. As for the vast majority of reality - a concealed carrying citizen stopping a guy robbing a store, mass shooters who were quickly stopped by guns - what Texas said pretty much applies.
You see, it's like the Trolley Cart problem: you've got a Trolley Cart going down its rails out of control, and it's approaching a switch. One switch will take it into a crowd of 10 people. A different switch will take it into a crowd of 3 people.
The shooter you're describing is one of those 3 people. Mass shooters who can be and are stopped by citizens with legal, concealed carry, are the crowd of 10 people.
And the Cart doesn't even have to hit those 3 people - again, as in
Also, you don't live in a country with guns, so while this is all hypothetical to you, it's very real for us, and we know that there will always be armed criminals, so we want to be armed to protect ourselves.
Also, see, the United States was a country born of violent revolution from the British, from citizens with guns. Also we re-introduced this idea of human equality and power in the people that Germany and the rest of the world had forgot. See, we respect the people of our country, and don't ask "why do you need that?", but believe in freedom, which means we get it unless there's a pretty freakin' huge reason not to, like nuclear or biological weapons. I know freedom is an alien concept to countries with hate speech laws, but it's something we really believe in. If you don't like it, fine, that's why you're not here, let's keep it that way and we can both be happy - you in your oppression, us with our freedom. But to us, giving literal, physical power to the people, is a right.