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Some details on Lauren Faust’s scrapped plans for the future of My Little Pony.

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Background Pony #4935
This makes me wonder. Was the fandom, the hype around bronies really worth it? If what could’ve been never happened?
Smitty1991
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).

Hasbro insisted that headbutting the tree wasn’t allowed, since children might actually do that in imitation of Applejack, and hurt themselves.
This just proves that Hasbro thinks children are stupid.
@Japanese Teeth
This is actually why I hated “The Return of Harmony.”
DanielCruz34

This is an old thread but after all that has happened, I’m glad they managed to preserve some of the original ideas without twisting what already had been established all these years. It might be a little controversial for me to say this, but I actually enjoyed Twilight becoming the new ruler of Equestria in an appearance very close to Celestia’s. For me, it just makes it come full circle. Same with the idea of two alicorns (who are family) ruling at the very end, them being Twilight and Flurry Heart in this case. Of course I wish some things had been done different, such as exploring more of the other nations and places or the Everfree forest gradually taking part of a bigger plot, but I’m not dissapointed with the canon we got. Finally I also like that they preserved the idea of some unreformed villains (although its weird for me one of them is a child so her punishment it’s in a gray moral zone for me).
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Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice

IRL 🎠 stallion
For anyone who still has an active account now, how do you feel now that FiM has wrapped up?
 
@ArrJaySketch  
Why would the retail buyers believe that little girls would discriminate against dark blue pony princesses besides their own preconceptions that girls are too stupid to be interested in anything other than the color pink?
 
 
@Ferrotter  
Reminds me of all the B&B episodes that got altered when a kid burnt down his family’s trailer and accidentally killed his sister after being inspired by Beavis’ pyromania. Good ol’ discussions on “non-reproducible violence”.
 
 
@Japanese Teeth  
Even with Discord on the side of the protagonists, you still have the problem of the Princesses: you need to make them irrelevant or else the M6 won’t get to be the designated protagonists for the episode. At least Discord’s chaotic nature means he can directly interfere with the ponies’ plans without being immediately Worf’d.
Niggoslav_Krawczyk
Duck - Niggoslav_Kwaczyk
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
A Perfectly Normal Pony - Drinky_Butt
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

#ChanYe2028
@rogerSnow nah, that’s just how tricksters work. They spend their time goofing off and taunting and gloating and then they get walloped in the middle of a jaunty tune. I mean look at this nigga’s pose even. He was totally sing-songy when he got blasted.  
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Teck_pack

You know the idea the Faust is some cartoon creating god and that we should burn Meghan alive because she is an heretic is laughable at best.  
Btw doesn’t this image come with smaller text? I was looking foward to use my newmicroscope.
Mattatatta
An Artist Who Rocks - 100+ images under their artist tag
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The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

As much as I’d like to believe what won’t be could’ve been so much better, without any real examples or information on what Mrs. Faust’s plans were specifically, this entire post is just a fart in the wind.
 
There is NOTHING HERE except someone saying “X, which is not gonna happen, is better than Y, which is happening right now. I’m not going to give any evidence to support my theory.”
 
One must never believe an argument that has no support.
ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
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Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
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The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

As long as folks are tossing in their $0.02, I thought I’d throw mine in, too. This isn’t directed at anything anyone’s already posted. I’m just musing. I’ve pondering this for awhile.
 
I’m also speaking as one who has been of fan of MLP since the 80s.
 
In the hiatus between S1 and S2, I strongly felt that the show could still be awesome if it went in many different directions, most of it because of the very well-developed cast. At the time, I couldn’t recall many cartoons where I could readily identify with the characters, or when characters reminded me of actual people I knew. When a show has characters that solid, stories write themselves. (How does this character react? What if these two characters were together? What would they do in this or that situation?)
 
Musing further on this, FIM is already a rather large departure from what MLP used to be, even at its tamest. If I recall correctly, I remember Lauren thinking this all could be a fantastic failure. I don’t have any evidence to support this, but I’m vaguely suspecting that Hasbro probably wasn’t entirely sure about letting anyone have complete control of the reins. There are a couple of reasons:
 
  1. Hasbro isn’t the end-all and be-all of executive decisions. I’m pretty sure Retail Buyers said, “no, girls won’t buy that” as far as some of the more out-there toy ideas. I recall that Luna didn’t feature very much in S1 because “girls wouldn’t be interested in dark-colored ponies”. (Yes, it’s very easy to laugh at now.) I’m pretty sure retail buyers are responsible for the very pink Celestia toy. While I remember many interviews saying that Lauren had a whole lot of creative control during S1, I wonder if feedback from retail buyers influenced Hasbro’s decisions for future seasons. I’d like to add that capitalism really sucks, sometimes.
     
  2. I have a feeling S1 was about trying something new without alienating old MLP fans. Because the green-light for S2 was given pretty early on, before they could fully see the impact S1 had, I had a feeling they still weren’t sure if Lauren’s was vision was quite the direction they wanted to go in.
     
    Interestingly, I wonder if what Hasbro knew then what they know now if they’d let Lauren have more control about future seasons of the show. Personally, I think ponies are still awesome (else I’d not be posting this novel). I think ponies could be truly epic in the truest sense of the word. Yes. It’s a bit overused, but I think that’s the word I’m looking for. I keep thinking of “Dangerous Business” and I can’t put it into words.
     
    Also, I wish Hasbro could point to retail buyers and say that little girls could like things like this, too:  
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rogerSnow
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@MeshGearFox
 
@Japanese Teeth  
I’ve thought about that too, but the way I’ve personally chosen to interpret it is that they have enough power to counter any outright attempts by Discord to just up and destroy them, and that his power, though including a lot of real ability, is just spiced up by his ability to do “tricks” like illusions (maybe he doesn’t actually remove horns and wings and tails, just makes it look so) or bending reality in a way that will eventually just snap back to normal if he doesn’t hold it the way he wants it.
 
Pure head canon I know, but it’s more interesting to think of magic as having some limits, exotic as it may be, otherwise it’s just sort of a show breaker.
 
Also, we saw discord a bit frightened by the giant worm thing and later genuinely ill, so I suppose he’s not all powerful, just sort of a perception bending trickster, perhaps.
MeshGearFox
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Japanese Teeth
 
>if he ever pulls out his full power he’s going to win almost instantly
 
That’s part of why I didn’t think he was really that evil in the first place – if he really WAS evil, he wouldn’t have lost, because there wouldn’t have been anything stopping him from just turning Celestia and Luna into dust with a thought.
Japanese Teeth
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Clock. Is. Ticking.
@MeshGearFox  
I can kinda see the Trixie thing if they went the course of making her Twilight’s evil counterpart. Sort of like what they did with Sunset Shimmer.
 
As for Discord, I honestly think that the current route was a better idea. As a villain, there’s only so much you can do with him; he’s too powerful. If he ever pulls out his full power he’s going to win almost instantly unless the ponies pull out the elements, at which point they win. By pseudo-redeeming him, they can have him around and screwing with the cast, while not having to result to pulling out the big guns to solve the problems he causes.
MeshGearFox
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Muffen-Man
 
Oh that.
 
tbh I always kind of assumed that Luna and Celestia would eventually ‘ascend.’ They’re like, goddesses of celestial objects – nature goddesses.
 
To counter a few specific points in that article though:
 
  1. Trixie from S1 never really seemed like she had the potential to be a major villain. Maybe giving Twilight an archrival WAS in the cards initially, but I imagine that would’ve been cut early in development.
     
  2. I think he’s implying that Discord was supposed to be a major, recurring villain. Again I’m not sure how well that even follows from what Faust was involved with – if he wasn’t reformed, he’d still probably be dead, and he never really seemed that evil to begin with.
Japanese Teeth
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Wallet After Summer Sale -
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Clock. Is. Ticking.
@MeshGearFox  
That’s the main reason I’m not really too worked up about this; it’s all hearsay at this point, from someone who’s putting their own slant on it.
 
If somebody different wrote up the same bare facts, you could easily make it sound like Faust was about to drive the show into the ground by phrasing it differently. E.g. “She was considering killing off the Princesses and she wanted to downplay all of the slice of life stuff that dominated the first season!”
 
The actual ‘‘facts’’ we have are vague and like you said, we don’t really know how far she was actively pursuing those ideas and whether they would have changed if she had to really make those episodes.
MeshGearFox
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Muffen-Man  
@Japanese Teeth
 
Okay the other big thing is that the guy doing the AMA was kind of editorializing a lot too.
 
What isn’t clear is how many of Faust’s ideas he’s referring to are things she was holding up as core tenet of her vision, and how many of them were just ideas she was may bouncing around but not that attached to.
 
He also might be drumming it up to sound a lot darker and edgier than it really was going to be?
Japanese Teeth
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The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Clock. Is. Ticking.
@Ferrotter  
I know, I just wanted to post an Applejack reaction image.
 
 
@rogerSnow  
“There was a direction the show had that people liked, it apparently matched up with what Lauren had intended, then she’s there in a reduced capacity, it matches the feel people liked a little less, then she’s totally uninvolved it feels like a different show.”
 
That’s a good point, except that if the hints in the image are accurate, she was going to change the show even more by upping the levels of darkness and fantasy adventure. Which could have been very good (Adventure Time pulled it off), but it would also have been very different from the first season, and could have easily alienated people who liked the more slice-of-life stuff.
Muffen-Man

So, in other words, Lauren’s ultimate vision was to rip off the greatest sagas of our age? That would make Meghan’s direction an original, which I’m starting to appreciate a lot more now thanks to this post.