@rogerSnow  
I was never talking about how she had an impact on the show, I was talking about how there are some people that act like it’s ONLY her being on the show that would make it better, that it was the only reason the show isn’t as good.  
I’m talking about how they dismiss everything good still in the show just because she’s not part of it anymore.  

@Prof.NightJack  
You don’t seem to get what I am saying. She wasn’t just a contributor. She was the heart of the show. You keep talking about it like she’s just another piece. She was just a piece in the same way your brain is “just a piece” of you. And it’s like you’re trying to argue that if someone was just walking around wearing your skin it would be okay because your brain wasn’t the only quality of your person and this guy has your good looks now.

@Draco_2k  
And I can understand if they can;t put there finger one why they don’t like it but at lest they should admit it’s there point of view.  
I know a number of show I like and ones that are similar to them they I don’t like and cant put my finger on why I like one but not the other, but I admit it’s my view of it and not of others.

@Draco_2k  
I don’t mind if they dislike it, I just can’t stand when they start using bull shit reason to say why they don’t like it and act like there opinion in an undeniable fact.  
Like I said about how I have seen some say they are not putting in any effort now, well that just bull shut and even if it is there opinion of it it’s not 100% fact that everyone has to agree with.

@rogerSnow  
We are saying it’s the ones putting down the show for not having her still working on it that are dismissing pieces of the puzzle, they seem to thing the one piece is all that is needed, it’s like going to Disney Land just go one one ride but it’s being worked on so you say the whole park sucks.

@Prof.NightJack  
Not everyone can put it into words as you have to have experience with writing tropes, habits and formalities to do that. Doesn’t mean people don’t have a reason for disliking it if they can’t put their finger on it.
 
I could go into a lot of detail… but if you’re enjoying it, I see no reason to try to ruin it for you. Plus, it’s kind of depressing to talk about.
 
@Japanese Teeth  
There’s an explanation for that there too.
 
In short, S2 has more stuff going on at all times in much more extreme circumstances compared to S1, usually at expense of setting and characterization. This will be much more entertaining to casual viewer, but cringe-worthy someone deeply involved with the setting, characters and writing style.
 
Hence the split.

@rogerSnow  
You are missing the point of what we are saying…  
Yes she came up with the core concepts and other things, but no she is not the only one that made the show great.  
So her being gone doesn’t me the show isn’t still good in it’s own right.

@Prof.NightJack
 
@Japanese Teeth  
Because she still came up with the core concepts, and I don’t think it’s getting through to you guys how important that is because you contrasted it with the fact that she “only wrote three episodes”.
 
Sure. And built the entire goddamn world and characters and overarching storyline for them to work within. Do not understate that as just some tiny piece of the puzzle. You keep bringing in superficial differences between what she exactly wanted and what got executed. If someone plans a trip to, say, Hawaii, and the exact route and methods to get there differed from what they initially thought, they still end up in Hawaii and take roughly the same way there as initially planned. But if you then kicked that person out and said “nope, we’re going to the middle of Siberia”, that extremely different than the minor route changes in the initial trip. That’s the analogy I would use, roughly.

@Draco_2k  
I will agree that there’s a difference, but whether or not it’s worse has always been a matter of debate. I know a lot of people who view S2 as a step up from S1, and personally I view them as being more or less equal in terms of quality.
 
 
@rogerSnow  
I don’t disagree that Faust’s departure from the show didn’t change things, the point is that people tend to drastically overstate how much influence she had on actually creating episodes out of the premise. Yes, she basically created the setting and characters, and the show wouldn’t be the same without it. The thing is that once that stuff is established, the show’s writers have just as much influence on actually executing the premise that she created. It’s important to remember that she only actually helped write three episodes, and none of them are really considered the show’s strongest (the pilot episodes, and Ticket Master).
 
Yes, she has a heavy influence on the show, but acting like she’s responsible for all of the show’s quality. She’s a contributor to what made the show great, but by no means the only one.

@Prof.NightJack  
*that instantly means it’s

@Draco_2k  
I know that with replacing creative leads there are changes, I just don’t see how doing that intently it’s worse now and it would of been better with the old creative lead.  
They may think it would be better but they have no proof to say it is a fact.

@Prof.NightJack  
It’s the only thing that’s changed, so it’s a perfectly logical conclusion.
 
It could be something else, sure, but there’s nothing else to point to. Plus, the problems on display are exactly the kind you’d expect when replacing creative leads.
 
>Some go around saying they are not even putting in any effort into the show now, and that is a load of bull shit.
 
That’s going way too far.

@Draco_2k  
Even then the people acting like it’s only because Faust isn’t working on the show is the reason it’s not as good to them could at lest stop acting like it’s the 100% truth that the show doesn’t have quality of it’s own.  
Some go around saying they are not even putting in any effort into the show now, and that is a load of bull shit.

@Prof.NightJack  
You can always like or dislike anything subjectively, but if there weren’t objective ways in which something was good or bad, everyone’s tastes would be completely arbitrary.
 
To that end, there’s a lot to be said on the differences in writing and direction. To begin with, that there is evidently quite a difference, even if you can’t necessarily put it into words.

@Prof.NightJack  
*wasn’t all as she wanted it to be.

@rogerSnow  
Problem is some think the show as it was when she was working on it was what she wanted it to be, not even thinking it’s even passable that it was changed from her idea.  
That’s why “it wasn’t totally Lauren Faust even in the beginning” is brought up, to point out it wasn’t as she wanted all as she wanted it to be.

@Japanese Teeth  
Why do people bring the “it wasn’t totally Lauren Faust even in the beginning” thing like that means anything? She was still a heavy contributor obviously, and a bigger point is that a major component of the recipe was removed. You can’t just remove a major component and expect a no change. Not to mention that even if the specifics were meddled with, there was still a core and a general direction; one that likely changed once she was gone.

@Draco_2k  
Dip in quality based off who’s view?  
To me the dip in quality was never for whole seasons, there was both good and bad in single seasons, until season 3.  
So season 1 and 2 where on pair with each other to me.

@Justy  
Yep.

@Draco_2k  
>huge dip in quality  
>comparing season 1 to 2
 
Sure.

@Japanese Teeth  
True.
 
But with the huge dip in quality when comparing season 1 to 2&3, it’s a foregone conclusion when we know of only one thing that truly changed between them.

@Japanese Teeth  
To that guy.  

@Prof.NightJack  
Okay, somebody on a forum where I post just explained the whole issue perfectly, so I’m just gonna copy/paste it here:
 
“One thing frustrates me about discussions of Lauren Faust’s vision: So many people have an unspoken assumption that, if Faust had just stayed on the show, her ideas would have been faithfully transmitted and everything would have been awesome. But this doesn’t make sense when we consider how Lauren’s ideas got mangled even when she was on the show. It was supposed to have more adventure episodes (not all adventures episodes as some have claimed, but more than we got) but they wrote slice-of-life episodes because those were easier to make on a demanding schedule. Cadance was supposed to be a unicorn, but was an alicorn instead because toys. The guy posting this info on Reddit outright says that some of Faust’s plans are dark enough he wasn’t sure they’d have been greenlit, yet the soli Faustus faction acts like that wouldn’t be a problem.
 
I honestly think that, if Faust hadn’t been kicked off, her original vision still would have been subjected to Executive Meddling. Fans would still throw around accusations of shark-jumping, pandering, and character derailment, but there wouldn’t be any convenient scapegoat to blame them on. And we’d hear (via DVD commentaries) about how the finished episodes didn’t quite line up with Faust’s original vision… but the finished product would be “eh… close enough” that Faust wouldn’t feel any pressing need to go back and do things “right”.
 
Whereas now, there does seem to be some interest in doing seasons 3 and after “right”. “

@Background Pony #81EF  
The first two episodes is what drew me in, personally.
 
They have a very deliberately cheesy plot that isn’t going to be to your liking unless you’re fully on board with what it is, but the characterization was superb (it’s how we get to meet the ponies, after all). A whole series with this kind of tone would be hard to stomach though.
 
I remember hearing that the original intention was to sprinkle epic twisting plotlines and dark themes in the midst of slice-of-lice and more laid-back comedy episodes which is, in writing terms, “Doing it just right)”: you need a break from epic for the mundane, you need a break from the mundane for the epic.
 
(Incidentally this is how Adventure Time does it.)

@Background Pony #4672
 
Ah, thanks.