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my thoughts on the whole s9 finale drama over the villains’ fates
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Edited because: bad typing skills.
That’s sexist.
Spike is ultimately responsible for the changelings reforming due to befriending Thorax which eventually led to Starlight causing that thing. Sadly Spike got robbed big time..
So I think its fair that Spike would get to take credit truly for reforming Chrysalis.
Maybe Luna having a hand in helping them reform Chrysalis too.
And I never said anything about being sad an evil person died. All that matters is you’re just like, “well, I’m glad we’re safe now.”
Exactly.
I don’t think anyone accused them of being actual murderers. And I dunno. A good number of people were none too broken up when it was announced that Dylan Roof was sentenced to the capital penalty. I don’t blame them. He’s a mass murderer. When he gets his due, I’ll feel as I did when John King & Lawrence Brewer got theirs: good riddance. No sympathy for them is deserved. No harassment, at least not by intent, just objections.
[bq=“Vivace”] Calm your crotchtits.
How is it bullyay? Killing a murderer is being a hypocrite. The reason there’s no good or evil is because it’s a matter of point-of-view. Of course I’m not saying that they’re evil, I’m just saying what they did was evil. There’s a huge difference. What Discord did was just as evil, if not more evil than what little Cozy Glow did. The heroes are no better than the villains, they’re just being hypocrites. Also, this is a CARTOON. This is a show about friendship and magic. Of course they will reform psychopath murderers like Sunset Shimmer, Starlight Glimmer, and Tempest Shadow. Yes. They are murderers. They all tried to murder Twilight Sparkle. And the Legion of Doom’s attempt at murder in the finale was probably the most half-_yay_ed murder attempt I’ve ever seen.
Yes, because it’s being a hypocrite. And if you’re saying that you wouldn’t be sad if somebody committed a crime and was killed, even if they were related to you? That’s proof that you don’t care about your family. You guys are basically saying that if somebody commits a crime to you, then do something worse back to them. Just, shut up.
Also, the reason Cadance is unsympathetic is because I’ve decided to become a villain now.
Implying that someone cannot do something so bad that it makes you disown them, just because they’re related to you. They’re perfectly capable of doing something unforgivable, when they’re related. I don’t think I need to come up with an example of such a scenario.
Are you saying that killing in legitimate self-defense is an evil action? Do they have more of a right to kill you unprovoked than you have to live? Because that’s a scenario that exists, believe it or not. The police cannot teleport, either, and their widely variable response times reflect that (oh, and are you saying that the police only ever arrest people? Both justifiably and not, that’s just not always the case), so chances are they’re probably not going to be there in time to protect you from being hurt.
Also, I will reiterate the question Latecomer asked earlier, get back on topic, since you didn’t address it, if you’ll ever see it: why isn’t Cadance a sympathetic character? What did she do to be labelled as unsympathetic?
“There’s only power and those who are too weak to seek it.”
Holy fuck. There’s not a damn thing in your good-evil spiel that’s true in any practical sense. Next you’ll be telling us that Stalin, Ted Bundy, or some other psychopathic murderers weren’t evil.
There’s a limit to how much one can concern oneself with incompatible point of view. If someone else considers my destruction necessary, and I can’t easily disprove that idea, then it may be necessary for me to destroy them or have them destroyed on my behalf.
But evil is a matter of point of view so saying death of evil is good… those “evil” people are probably thinking the same about you.
However, it’s also true it’s framed as permanent and final in the show - any other reading is purely a fan thing.
Exactly. just about every instance of petrification in this show shows it as something perfectly reversible. That is, as long as you don’t get broken into pieces.
@Background Pony #A883
You should heed your own advice.
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But as I said, no-one bestowed Cozy with any evil powers in the first place, and there was no sign of it for the others either. Otherwise you’d think they’d have mentioned it when they met him.
And I don’t hold to that - it may be decided culturally, but there are some pretty common points, like not acting like those three. Now, whether it was justified to kill them after they were already defeated… that’s a much trickier question. Even if one supports the death penalty in real life, it doesn’t exactly fit FIM’s flavour. But then, petrification isn’t exactly death…
I never said Discord. I said Grogar. I had that idea before the finale was leaked and I found that Discord was Grogar, which hugely disappointed me.
>the death of evil is good
Uhhhhh… there’s NO good or evil. Everyone is the hero of their own story. So what might seem good to you might not seem good to somebody else. What if you were related to that “evil” person? Even if they did something horrible to you, you would definitely be pretty sad to see them go. Killing someone is never okay. Just call the police and they’ll lock the person up in jail.
OK, a bit lost at the sudden revival of this months-old argument, but if you wanna go…
I said “Nope” because the idea that Discord bestowed Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy’s “evil powers” on them is ridiculous and makes no sense. Heck Cozy didn’t even have any “evil powers” until she used the bell - just pegasus magic.
As for the rest of your comment - death is unfotunate and sad, but the defeat of evil is good, and sometimes people’s joy at the latter overpowers their sense of the former. especially if those who “died” were rather dislikable.
Oh, and what do you have against Cadance? Or was that a typo?
What do you mean, “Nope.” You don’t even know if Grogar did or not so how could you just rudely shout “Nope.” The theory just all-in-all makes sense. I’m not AT ALL talking about what happened on-screen.
@daniboyi95
That proves YOU’RE the real murderer. Cheering because somebody has died, whether they are a good person or not, is never, EVER okay. In fact, it is nothing but EVIL.
Guys, they did have redeeming qualities in Frenemies. Remember that scene? They may have rejected it, but that was Chrysalis who snapped them out of it, who was mentally unstable and could have gone to a mental health facility. So stop going all like “sheez a murderer shee neerly murdered starlight shee neerly murdered cadence”. Starlight and Cadance are NOT sympathetic characters. At all. Period. Grogar would have been the real murderer. He was the one who would have taught us that not everyone can be redeemed, not these three. Better yet, it could have taught us that in the end, there’s really NO good or bad. You all seem to be thinking in black-and-white. You think that people can be either good or bad. Stop throwing meltdowns against my personal opinion of a flippin’ CARTOON.
I’m not talking just about pony lives at all.
That’s assuming there’s even a billion lives in the jungle. If you’re talking specifically about pony lives, though, then you’re flat out wrong. There’re even less.
Well the drought definitely would have taken billions of lives. Not millions. Billions.