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Thank you! And don’t worry, it’s the writing’s fault.
The way Glimmer’s framed and written in her episodes when she’s evil… THAT’S the annoying part. It takes her legitimately awful actions and frames them as if they’re just silly things done by cute little idiots with honest reasons to not get friendship.
If Glimmer was a soldier who used to work for an evil villain, then her inability to fully get pony morality would make sense. It might even be endearing.
If Glimmer was a street-thug/thief who grew up in a harsh world, then her inability to understand “Soft and overly trusting/sensitive” ponies would make sense. It might even be endearing.
But instead, she was the villain others would be forced to serve. She was the “I think I’m the hero” kind of villain, sure, but she was also the “I understand morality well enough to convince others that I’m the hero” kind of villain. And when she went from the “I think the world would be better with me in charge and anyone who disagrees is the real villain!” kind of villain to the “I will burn this world to ash a thousand times over to hurt the hero’s feelings, because how dare that hero foil my evil plans!” kind of villain, she crossed lines the show just sort of glossed over.
A simple line like “Now that we stopped the bad futures from happening, they’re all gone” being said in the show would be fine. Sure, it would canonically mean Glimmer’s vandalization of the timeline erased millions and brought alternate millions into existence in a worse world each time she did it, but if undoing the consequences of time travel is really as easy as flicking a switch and essentially just crossing out the profanities you wrote in a history book, it’d explain why Glimmer (at the time) felt nothing about time-breaking.
“Acting” good should come as naturally for Glimmer as putting on an accent would for a voice actor. She just doesn’t seem to try hard enough to be good, since we’ve already seen how well she can act.
I’m sorry if I come across as stand-offish when I talk about this character. It feels like that’s the only way stuff that’s this big a deal can be said.
But at the same time, this really isn’t that big a deal at all. This is a fictional character in a confused mess of a show that’s been passed from writer to writer like a ball of clothes used as a makeshift football.
I wish Pony discussions these days didn’t get so goddamn heated.
I really hate Toxapex(That evil sea urchin from Pokemon), but nobody from the Pokemon fandom goes around saying I can’t say that Poison/Water typing PLUS RECOVER PLUS REGENERATOR on a Pokemon with defenses only slightly worse than joke Pokemon Shuckle’s and with double his base HP and Toxic Spikes/Toxic/Venoshock/Scald and Burn Hax is unfair. Some might disagree, some might say “Yeah but Mega Blaziken/Lucario is worse”, and that’s ok.
There’s this sense of fun in Pokemon discussions. We all know we’re talking about fiction, and we all know there’s not really much point arguing over the competitive viability of Metapod or which fictional girl Ash should settle down with if the show ever ends.
I’ve never been called a terrible person for not liking Emboar, and I’ve never called Ash+Dawn shippers terrible people.
I don’t know.
Wow, that was really well thought out, I’m sorry if I got a little self-righteous. :(
THANK you. Glimmer is far from being a psychopath. In my eyes anyway.
…sociopathic ≠ psychopathic.
That’s true. Glances at time-breaker Glimmer
You can’t reform a psychopath.
Better ways to spend time exist than bloviating, like checking to make sure you’re not relying on falsehoods. A 2nd look usually pays off.
Fair enough.
shrugs
I’m a wordy guy. Chapter one of a fanfic I’m working on recently passed 55k words.
A speech? On a ponybooru?
Nah, that was a speech. A story has a beginning, middle, and end, along with one or more characters, and you should insult anyone you come across who thinks a story is just a sequence of words or one random one-off scene that goes nowhere and has no build, fall, climax, or anything.
Story in the comments tag?
That isn’t “All” people who don’t like her can come up with, it’s just the most egregious points about her. She’s written as this “Ultimate life form” who can do no wrong, because the writers really want to sell the audience on a Glimmer And Pals spinoff, and they neglect Mane Six episodes to focus on the “Big” episodes starring Glimmer and the OC/OC species of the week because they really, really want that spinoff.
Her OPness wouldn’t be a problem if it made sense, but she got an arbitrary power gap between her introductory episode and her Time Breaker Glimmer episode, just to force Twilight to extend the hand of “I’ll forgive your evil deeds if you stop doing them!” and give her a “I can’t stop you from being evil” pass.
(Even though Twilight trapping Glimmer into a time loop of her own with a modified version of Glimmer’s modified spell all “Dormammu I have come to bargain” style would have been cleverer.)
Twilight was forcefully forced to be stupid several times in this episode, for Glimmer’s benefit. Like Glimmer’s one of those reality-warpers who dumb the world down around them, so a guy with two knives spontaneously loses one and forgets he ever had one halfway through a fight with the reality-warper, or a guy who built the spaceship and is piloting the spaceship the warper is on can’t repair the ship as well as her. Or a story about a secret war between vampires and werewolves gets swallowed up by a love triangle featuring her. Or the some new rule on magic will come out of nowhere to benefit him so hard, he gains an extra life video-game style while the villain shoots himself in the head to end the story.
Glimmer occasionally whines to Trixie about how “SOME PEOPLE” (in the audience) haven’t forgiven her, but we don’t see people being mean to her like we saw people being mean to Sunset Shimmer in her redemption movie.
We don’t see moments designed to make Glimmer suffer in a way that makes people truly empathize with her.
We don’t feel bad for her when she bitches and moans about how not everyone is willing to forgive her, we want to slug her in her stupid face and yell “Good, it means there are a few people left in this world who have some sense!”.
If you want Glimmer to be like Sunny from Sunny With A Chance, the person who’s always trying to solve problems for others despite occasionally screwing up, that’s how she should be written, and others should be allowed to get mad at her so she can learn the importance of asking for consent before she casts magic on people.
Glimmer doesn’t grow because the world around her doesn’t force her to grow, and the world around her doesn’t force her to grow because the writers think she’s already perfect, so everyone in the pony world should treat her like she’s already perfect.
It hurts immersion. It hurts the illusion that we’re watching moments from a real, cohesive world.
It probably sounds pretty annoying to hear the same complaints over and over, but you realize where they’re coming from, right? Glimmer doesn’t feel like a real person in this universe, she feels like the Dungeon Master’s NPC, who just gets to do whatever she want, consequences or skill checks or stat builds be damned.
And the way her episodes are written certainly don’t help matters.
You know Red Hulk, from the TV Series “Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.”? He’s an obnoxious asshole. And he’s written that way. He’s a hero, but he’s also a short-tempered self-aggrandizing aggressive assclown. That’s who he is, but other characters are allowed to get mad at him for this. Sometimes, Hulk or She-Hulk or even A-Bomb slugs him in his stupid face, and when that happens, the audience smiles.
Glimmer, on the other hand… When she’s an obnoxious asshole, the writers will force the world to bend over backwards to accomodate her and make her right. When she tries to solve a problem, she picks a solution and forces it on people, their own personal feelings or individual rights or property rights or any better ways of solving the problems be damned, and the episode is dedicated to telling the audience that Glimmer Is Right(TM) until the episode moves on or ends.
And whenever Glimmer wrongs someone, she ignores their hurt feelings, as if feelings only matter when they’re hers. That’s annoying. Though this wouldn’t be as bad if she was written as a naturally-terrible pony who “Really Tried” to be a good guy, running around giving “Sorry I magically fucked with you” cards to Big Macintosh and her boyfriend after magically fucking with them on a whim. Sure, she might have this expression or that expression sometimes, but she never truly acts repentant.
Glimmer should openly say lines like “But feelings only matter if I have them!” in addition to acting like she believes this, so people in the audience who don’t like her can laugh and say “Well, the writers are doing this on purpose. I’m supposed to hate this character! Which means she’s written well.”
Glimmer’s episodes aren’t written to teach this asshole manners, or kindness, or any important morals. They’re written to make Glimmer right, in comparison to whoever else the episode is also about.
And for someone in the audience who thinks Glimmer is wrong, that’s incredibly annoying.
Especially when Glimmer Is Right(TM) about fundamental aspects of the show being silly and therefore wrong, like those moments where Glimmer and Trixie are all “Lmao haha singing songs won’t help” about other ponies singing songs about the problem. And then the songs turn out to not help.
Glimmer isn’t the kind of person who should be going on journeys to faraway lands to condescend to the weird village or country of the week about how they SHOULD be living their lives, because she’s a security risk. At any moment, she can unleash a monster on someone, age-regress someone, fuck the timeline up, swap the cutie marks of two ponies, or do pretty much anything there are probably laws against in pony world. She should be at home when not following Twilight on her adventures, assisting Twilight and learning about friendship and honesty and asking for consent before magically fucking around with someone and other aspects of being a moral and kind-hearted pony by watching Twilight and her friends, and learning from their example.
Being Twilight’s student should mean something. It should be more than an excuse to put Glimmer in Twilight’s new ugly unfitting crystal playset house.
If you want to have scenes where Twilight gets Glimmer to read a ton of books on morality and Glimmer’s all “LOUD GROAN, being kind and considerate is so slow and inefficient! This suuuuuuuuucks!”, frame it so she’s supposed to be wrong in this instance and end the episode with her learning that being considerate is good.
Also, no more “Glimmer tells Twilight to ignore the checks and balances on power, and Glimmer Is Right(TM)” moments.
You know how Trixie was brought back just to be the bratty friend who exists to make Glimmer look good? That’s the role Glimmer should play with Twilight: The obnoxious wrong asshole who says stuff like “We should brute-force this depressed village into happiness, it would be way easier than solving their problems” and “We should just turn that bad guy in Stony Pony Village into a fikus so we wouldn’t have to do whatever adventure we’re doing right now to prove him wrong”. She should be the one suggesting easy ways out of problems, and Twilight should be the one saying no. And when Twilight’s solutions, Pinkie’s solutions, Rarity’s solutions, and so on turn out to be better than Glimmer’s “Lol just use magic” solutions, Glimmer should be humbled, surprised, and she should remember the lessons she learns.
Glimmer would still be an obnoxious asshole until she grows out of it over time and eventually does a Big Super-Good Thing to prove she’s redeemed, but she’d be written as someone audience members are allowed to dislike until that point.
Which, paradoxically, would make fans dislike her less, as they’d have fewer reasons to resent her.
That’s what it really comes down to. Glimmer feels like a really bad OC whose writer/writers are warping the world around her like some kind of anon-in-fuckquestria sexfic where nobody can truly stay mad at the green prick who acts all “Insert kefka meme here” about everything. The episodes are written to say You Are Wrong And Bad if you dislike Glimmer. They aren’t written to say “This is who she is, take it or leave it”, they’re written to say “You are literally hitler/this strawman/misunderstanding friendship the point of friending kind friendship if you don’t love Glimmer as much as me”.
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The reason why I disallowed the 2 biggest problems was to prove a point: that that’s ALL Starlight ‘haters’ can come up with to explain why they don’t like her, over and over!
But you do have a point about your ‘third card’ - sometimes, Starlight doesn’t feel like a true 7th member of the Mane Six; she feels more like a tagalong character, just along for the ride.
Wow dood! If that were to happen, there’d be nothing I could do man!
Careful dood, you might turn into DSP. <SNORT> (lol)
Just like in the real.
They’ve got dents and they’ve got quirks, but it’s their flaws that make them work.
Cuz its a conversation about punishment and how a bratty kid who did some bad stuff, rather than any attempt at reform like the villain who stole cutiemarks and almost destroyed the timespace continuum just because her childhood friend moved away, they instead send her to hell with the rest of MLP’s demon level threats like Tirek. Good thing I haven’t watched an ep since the season opener or I might actually have ended up emotionally invested in this conversation. Its not drama to say starlight got off easy by being promoted to Princess Twilight’s student in the same ep she almost destroyed the universe. That being said, its not the characters’s faults their story arcs were written poorly, rather it is that of the writing staff. My guess is that they heard complaints that they were letting all the villains off too easy and decided to sprint in the opposite direction with Cozy. The problem is, they didn’t write the punishment to fit the crime and circumstances. She’s a bratty kid with severe problems, send her to counceling or something. Don’t throw her into pony hell with actual evil villains she can learn from. There’s a reason they call prison trade school for criminals. One can only imagine what hell will teach Cozy.
A near decade long work in progress.
They’re a work in progress.
@low risk loris
She’s a gentle
giantmidget who just fell in with the wrong crowd.Looking up this episode and it sounds really average imo. Though it gives me 2011 nostalgia.