@moonlightaveger  
Oh we get your meaning. Its just that everyone here knows it has no bearing on canon.
 
Its already been established that Spike is more then a servant but less then a brother, and tidies up her library converted house when she doesn’t feel like it cause that’s his job.
 
Its already been established that the only material that lists her as a librarian is a hasbro kids books not connected with DHX at all.
 
Its already been established that she doesn’t need to work for a living, and that money or job-working has never been brought up. Even Fluttershy’s job was established.
 
And, to top it off, its already been established in show, she’s factually not a librarian of a public library. In Trade Ya!, she establishes that all the books in the library aren’t public library books, they’re all hers to keep or sell or trade as she pleases.
 
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In fact the whole idea that she was a librarian was a misconception from the getgo. She was given Golden Oaks Library as a house because Celestia felt she’d be more comfortable surrounded by books. The house and every book in it was immediately owned by her the second she was assigned to Ponyville, although that wasn’t 100% confirmed until Trade Ya!. As one notices when she moves into the library and subsequent episodes, Golden Oaks Library hasn’t been used as a public library for quite some time. Twilight and everyone treated it as her house when she moved in because that’s all it was, her house.
 
If your taking care of a library that’s actually not a public library and is simply your house, its not a job.

@Sunset’s Minion  
Then I suppose that you don’t…

@moonlightaveger  
Actually, it renders your point null and void. Twilight can pretty much do and get whatever she wants without having to do any labor to earn it.

@Sunset’s Minion  
You understand my meaning.

@moonlightaveger  
“She took care of a library. That is work.”
 
Correction: She made Spike take care of a library (based on the canonical things we actually see in the show). While she went off and did whatever she wanted to do.

@Sunset’s Minion  
Agreed. And if that trope is Twilight’s super power, then I sincerely hope Trixie is Twilight’s literal kryptonite and sticks around, cause seeing Twilight sweat when Glimmer chose Trixie as her closest friend was a superb change of pace; I haven’t met anyone who didn’t enjoy Twilight losing control of the situation for once there.

@Sunset’s Minion  
I guess that’s a good way to put it.

I just realized something. Twilight is what TV tropes would call an Inverted Cosmic Plaything, meaning the universe loves Twilight and will make sure she gets the best life possible with little to no complications, no matter how unrealistic it may be!

Somepony needs a concerta

Uh oh, this dinner’s gonna be a bad dinner.

Well, I guess Celestia never learned from her mistakes with Luna or Sunset. The definition of insanity is:
 
doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
 
…I think that it’s safe to say Celestia is at a little bit insane.

@moonlightaveger  
“And yet we disagree.”
 
Disagreeing is different from seeing the exact opposite of something in every imaginable way. Thus, difference in perspective causes viewpoints to side from one side of the pendulem to the other. Whenever someone says “i have no idea how you can see that’ in terms of perspective(not knowledge) its ALWAYS exaggeration. Finding people who disagree is easy. Finding people who analyze something with 100% alien perspective from the other is nearly impossible.  
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“I think that you’re doing exactly what you think I’m doing: pulling stuff out of my imagination to justify what you believe is the correct interpretation of the character in the cartoon.”
 
I’d love to agree with you, I really do since your being really civil, but that definition of interpretation is only half complete. We pull stuff out of our imagination AND THEN merge it with facts of what we DO know to create a conclusion. I have explained my stance several times using context. You’ve yet to tell me how Twilight is represented as a pony that works for a living with adult pressures.  
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“ but then I’ll agree with you on that”
 
Let me see if I interpreted your words corerectly…So your saying that only if something is emphatically stated will you agree to another’s headcanon after? That’s a bit close minded don’t you think?
 
Maybe you shouldn’t have put that forth….  
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“Why the fuck did she send her away then?”
 
Who ever heard of a ruler that doesn’t know how to socialize with anybody? Besides, its not as if distance would change Twilight’s obsessive urge to please Celestia. Especially not with a dragon that burps her letters.  
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“and conflicts with the fact that Celestia put her out of her sphere as soon as the cartoon started”
 
Since when did she do that? Distance doesn’t always coincide with outside sphere of influence, practically everyone knows that.
 
If anything, the friendship reports and then living up to being a princess for her were responsibilities of great importance and significance TO Celestia, far more when she was just researching history and magic in Canterlot.
 
(And unlike most situations of distance separation, the chances of her perspective of Celestia being challenged by anybody but villains is basically zero since she’s the 1000-year old goddess/monarch.  
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“Specially when we’re talking about a children’s cartoon”
 
Dude, that excuse was out of date 4 years ago. Most people would instantly bash you for using that phrase, as if Bronies like MLP because every conclusion and character aspect is simplisitic and not innovative at all.  
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“They are what they are and the most obvious.”
 
If that’s your natural conclusion, then whatever you decide is the simplest for you to understand is the one you are going to believe in. That’s a classic logic pratfall people fall into when they have zero extra-ordinary expectations for a show.  
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“I’m not interested in going on if you’re not going to accept that being a librarian is a legitimate job and that Twilight was one.”
 
Nobody cares about that. What people care about is whether it was an aspect of her character…was she a working adult, or was she/is she living the Barbie life?
 
Besides owning an old library as a residence, did anybody ever even use the phrase ‘works as a librarian’ in the entirity of the show regarding Twilight? I’m generally curious. If I recall, wiki only lists her a librarian because ‘the elements of harmony guidebook’, one of the many promotional books detached from DHX or the show, lists her as one.  
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“Not that there is no reason to believe it, beginning with the fact that she lived in a library.”
 
Uhhh, did you forget? Trade Ya! established all the books are hers to give away and keep. Pokey Oaks Library is a residence that was once a library.  
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“I don’t think that Spike is an incompetent moron because he acted like that in “Spike at Your Service”, nor do I think that Applejack is an impractical idiot because of “Applejack’s Day Off”. Even if it wasn’t meant as comedy, adults are excused if they don’t always act as adults”
 
That’s because the exceptions don’t make rule. They are generally portrayed as competent, smart and mature in their own unique way. However Twilight has NEVER been portrayed as a working adult and very rarely as a person not controlled by her expectations.

@CronoM  
“Interpretation and analysis of scenes and events that exist is a 1)’subjective opinion with basis’. We can’t know 100% detail of how a writer wants a character to be interpreted, but since the scene exists, we have a general idea, and it differs from person to person but usually with some margin of simularity.”  
And yet we disagree. What a world we live in, huh? Joking aside, how can you decide when the margin of similarity is broken and even then, how can you decide which side is right. We’re disagreeing in our interpretation of a cartoon for children, in a world where people disagree wherever or not they should legalize abortion. Disagreeing is what humans do, each side with their own reasons, over things that can be said to be hard truths. Imagine fiction.
 
Let me try to put something forth: I don’t think that you’re absolutely wrong. I think that you’re doing exactly what you think I’m doing: pulling stuff out of my imagination to justify what you believe is the correct interpretation of the character in the cartoon. Next episode Celestia may say “I wanted to create a perfect apprentice princess through dependency and micro management of her growth, but ended up creating an apprentice that wants to be micro-managed and dependent forever.” To that I’m going to say “Why the fuck did she send her away then?”, but then I’ll agree with you on that. Until then, to me, my alternative is more reasonable.
 
“Interpretation and analysis of scenes and events that DON’T exist is a 2)’subjective opinion without basis’, or what I loosely termed earlier by mistake, ’a headcanon’.”  
To me you’re the one doing that when you say that Celestia wanted to micromanage Twilight’s growth and conflicts with the fact that Celestia put her out of her sphere as soon as the cartoon started, and rarely lifted a finger to help in any way other than providing a few tasks. If anything, I think that Celestia promoted independence. And even if you want to shove that in my way, that’s not what I’m doing, because I take into consideration the intention, and that is “something”. Specially when we’re talking about a children’s cartoon and not some heavily convoluted drama with layers of meaning in character actions. They are what they are and the most obvious.
 
I’m not interested in going on if you’re not going to accept that being a librarian is a legitimate job and that Twilight was one. I also don’t like when people twist my words. What I meant is that we don’t see scenes of Twilight being a librarian because the cartoon is not interested in showing that. Not that there is no reason to believe it, beginning with the fact that she lived in a library.
 
If not, we’re just arguing in circles.
 
“And more to the point, even if she did work for a living, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION was ’did that ever reflect at all on her character as she was portrayed in seasons already passed and gone before she was made a princess?’ Her working for a living?”  
Yes it did. But you’ll disagree with me because your idea of Twilight is that she never “grew”. The way I see it, she’s been growing throughout the cartoon, and was more mature than she was in that image even if she had her moments of being childish. Because the show deals with comedy. I don’t think that Spike is an incompetent moron because he acted like that in “Spike at Your Service”, nor do I think that Applejack is an impractical idiot because of “Applejack’s Day Off”. Even if it wasn’t meant as comedy, adults are excused if they don’t always act as adults.

@moonlightaveger  
Its my fault for not defining my terms better. That was my mistake.
 
Interpretation and analysis of scenes and events that exist is a 1)’subjective opinion with basis’. We can’t know 100% detail of how a writer wants a character to be interpreted, but since the scene exists, we have a general idea, and it differs from person to person but usually with some margin of simularity.
 
Interpretation and analysis of scenes and events that DON’T exist is a 2)’subjective opinion without basis’, or what I loosely termed earlier by mistake, ‘a headcanon’.
 
Your idea is that Twilight had a job to make one’s living…but by your admission its something the writers don’t focus on. Like, not at all. In other words, your pulling this idea out of thin air.
 
In contrast, I could say the something about the episodes showcasing Twilight’s personality. My interpretation is subjective, and you might not agree with it, sure, but I have a source.
 
“No. Because people aren’t perfect and also have different opinions born out of different interpretations.”
 
I agree. The problem with your case is that there’s nothing to interpret. Your argument lacks any source material to support it beyond she was given a house that was also a library. It was never once insinuated at the start that she had a financial job as librarian at the beginning, middle, or end(of the library that is).
 
At best, its empty interpretation.
 
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And more to the point, even if she did work for a living, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION was ‘did that ever reflect at all on her character as she was portrayed in seasons already passed and gone before she was made a princess?’ Her working for a living?
 
If not…then her character was not portrayed as a working pony with adult working people problems. You already admitted she wasn’t portrayed as one in show, so we have already agreed on the original question.

@CronoM  
“So in other words…the interpretation of what is ABSENT in the show for Twilight and Celestia’s characterization is closest to the mark, and the cartoon “dun goofed” regarding certain things…”  
Yes. Because the cartoon doesn’t give a damn about it. Until it does…
 
“…when in reality, what’s portrayed in the show is the reality of the show, and the common interpretation of what is ABSENT is simply NON-EXISTENT, and portrays Twilight and Celestia as undeveloped and doesn’t fit your headcanon.”  
No. Because people aren’t perfect and also have different opinions born out of different interpretations. And both of them are valid until the cartoon makes one of them explicitly correct (and even then some people are still going to disagree because they think of things and alternatives that the authors never thought of).
 
“Your stuff just doesn’t have a basis..”  
Right back at you. You can tell me that Twilight is less mature than the others because you think that being a librarian is not an “adult job” and whatever other reasons you see for it, and I can tell you that it doesn’t make sense for me to infer that she is different from the “adult” characters precisely because I think that you’re seeing things that aren’t intentional. Like the discussion about wherever or not ponies eat actual meat or not.

@moonlightaveger  
“The problem here is interpretation.”
 
So in other words…the interpretation of what is ABSENT in the show for Twilight and Celestia’s characterization is closest to the mark, and the cartoon “dun goofed” regarding certain things…
 
…when in reality, what’s portrayed in the show is the reality of the show, and the common interpretation of what is ABSENT is simply NON-EXISTENT, and portrays Twilight and Celestia as undeveloped and doesn’t fit your headcanon.
 
(scratches head) I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to agree with @Background Pony #87EE on this one. This was originally about interpretation of the stuff portrayed in the show, not personal headcanons with stuff that was never inferred.
 
Your stuff just doesn’t have a basis. Twilight never had a job when she was a researcher and student in Canterlot, I doubt she needed to make a living as a researcher and student in Ponyville while being a librarian as a purely ceremonial role.
 
I’m not trying to be disagreeable. If you want to talk pure, raw theory, that’s fine. But that’s an entirely different subject then analyzing what IS shown in the show.

@moonlightaveger  
Zzz…

@CronoM  
I wasn’t being defensive. I was making a point of saying that I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me. Because a lot of people do have a problem with that. Anyway…
 
I’m willing to say that caring for a library is an “adult job”, yes. The problem here is interpretation. The cartoon does a good job of showing that Rarity works her boutique, Applejack does “farm stuff” and so on because those are easy, (or at least there is interest from the producers to do so).
 
In the end, I think it’s easier to assume that the cartoon “dun goofed” and that the intention is that Twilight is the same as her friends. Now, can I honestly say that the show has portrayed Twilight’s job as a librarian as her way of making her living? Strictly saying, no. But it’s not because the cartoon has shown to me that I shouldn’t assume that about Twilight, it’s because the cartoon doesn’t bother talking about this.
 
From that, I really don’t have any reasons to believe that I should think of Twilight as “less adult” than any of the others.
 
It’s the same thing with Celestia and her general incompetence and absence from any situation where she should be doing something about the problem but there is always some excuse why she can’t. Is it the intention that Celestia is incompetent, weak, a troll? No. The cartoon is just interested in talking about other things and doesn’t care that it leaves holes in characterization.

@moonlightaveger  
C’mon, don’t be overly defensive about this.
 
Our topic wasn’t whether she technically had a job, but that she had a job with adult responsibilities. Having a job to make one’s living is the major adult aspect of the Equestrian Mane 5 we were talking about when compared to the EG Mane 6 still in high school.
 
Can you honestly say the show portrayed her ‘job’ as librarian as a way of making her living?
 
If the answer is yes, then we can just agree to disagree. :) Don’t sweat it.

@CronoM  
I am being serious. I guess this is that thing people call “disagreeing”.

@Itsthinking  
Pretty much. Either that or put Celestia in a position where she’s completely caught off guard emotionally.

@moonlightaveger  
Be serious. Its a library almost nobody uses and its never once mentioned as a job of responsibility at all.
 
>Giving a baby to a child to raise alone when there is an older teen, mother and father that can take care of him  
>Giving the responsibility of saving the world to a capable but nervous wreck of a magic apprentice alone several times, when there are 5 other heroes and friends of hers that would be more then willing to be put in the loop regarding saving the world with her, all 5 of them more genre savvy and more in touch with reality then she is.
 
I’m not saying that Twilight isn’t a capable and useful member of the group, but given the ridiculous extremes Celestia goes to have everything hinge on Twilight, and considering Twilight herself, the show seems to give the more ridiculous situation, especially in terms of unnecessary life endangerment. While the idea is still ludicrous, the idea of giving a child, a child obsessed with lists, details and doing everything right for Celestia’s sake, a dragon baby to raise is far less ludicrous then some ideas.
 
(Not saying it wouldn’t distort their ideas of friendships vs duties for years on end, which it canonically DOES in the show, but at least she would keep the baby fed and healthy.)
 
I don’t know, while some episodes are hit and miss, the show’s been doing a pretty good job at developing all the main characters besides Twilight. And as for Celestia, its less malice and more that she has no idea how to balance friendship and entitlement, which she believes only Twilight is worthy of the latter.

@CronoM  
She took care of a library. That is work.
 
You’re talking in absolutes that are way too extreme. Twilight was prepared to deal with those tasks: she had reasoning skills, she knew spells. All that happened AFTER all the time she spent in Celestia’s school and even Celestia wasn’t ready to deal with many of the threats that Twilight and friends dealt with. As a child, she got a baby dumped on her and there is no way in hell you can tell me that it’s the same.
 
You’re inputting malice where there is none and you’re forgetting that the writing for MLP (both in the comics and the cartoon) is anything but good. Most of the times it’s passable. You’re also letting your headcanon about Celestia’s intentions seep in things the cartoon just has nothing to say about (because it’s far from perfect). Like the minutiae of Celestia’s intentions with Twilight. At best, you can say that she wanted to create a princess and that is it.

@CronoM  
All of this is tied into them not wanting to do anything with Celestia really. The only way Twilight is ever going to be independent from Celestia now is if Celestia is incapable of doing her job.

@Itsthinking  
BACK ON TOPIC The point is, the writers on IDW had enough guts to give Twilight some introspection and character growth while the fact remains that the creator writers, or hasbro, want to keep Twilight clueless forever cause its easier to sell toys when Twilight will accept anything that comes out of Celestia’s mouth. MLP will get a lot more interesting if they just remove the safety net, let Twilight grow and give Celestia some relatability, but until then then show’s in kind of a limbo.