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All she ended up taking from that conversation was what AJ left her with. “Joke-shortcut” and “lazy”
“Lazy” was a stupid word “inconsiderate” or “wrong” would’ve been much better.
See @Background Pony #3C05
How was it wrong?
There was a half-assed attempt that ultimately was misunderstood. All they had to say is “Rainbow Dash, you’ve gone too far with your pranks and if you don’t stop you don’t value or respect our wishes as your friends”. Boom it simply isn’t in Rainbow Dash’s character to misconstrue that and she would never continue pranking them after that. Episode over.
Haven’t seen it yet, sorry. The consensus seems to be that it was alright after all. So I guess I was wrong to be pessimistic.
Not much different from any other argument. People loathe to change their views.
It does upset me that most people, and some fans, think that the sort of behavior and morals expressed in the episode are perfectly okay and justifiable. I don’t think it’s a problem of misunderstanding at all; people just lack empathy. It’s mundane. I’d hoped this fandom would have a stronger moral compass overall, and certainly at least some of it does, judging by the shitstorm the episode caused.
That said, this dim view only applies to the “Rainbow Dash deserved it, what a smug cunt” crowd. The “Nopony wanted to hurt anypony else, everything’s perfectly fine” argument is, as you say, simply a difference in how we’ve perceived the episode. Seeing as it was horribly written and the characters behave in no way a consistent fashion, it does leave room for vagueness, misunderstanding and personal interpretation.
Unlike, say, Bad Seed. You’d have to be quite the contortionist to completely bend over backwards to use your own ass as a periscope to see Babs as not being a bully there. Didn’t stop the writers from doing the impossible though.
Edited because: Reason.
“28 Pranks Later”. Dangit, how many times am I going to mess up that title…
Eh, I’m mostly hanging around to see if Draco_2k is going to talk about “28 Days Later” at some point. Regarding TMMDW, I think we’ve reached an impasse where each side has reached nigh-immovable conclusions based on their own life experiences and beliefs, and the best we can hope for is a working, if incomplete, knowledge of why the other side feels they way they do, and an acknowledgment that they aren’t bad for seeing the episode differently.
Oh, you were snarky and dismissive of opposing viewpoints long before I entered the picture here. It’s hilarious seeing your arguments about what constitutes bullying when you’re all about belittling opposing viewpoints.
I quite enjoyed talking with you. It was nice being able to discuss it in a civil manner.
@Tide
…And why is boasting among friends perfectly okay, while boasting in public isn’t? Who sets these rules?
A parade in their honor. It’s literally a parade in their honor.
…That’s what people do. It’s just what they do. They say “No, I’m fine, nothing’s wrong.”
True. But jealousy and being hurt are not mutually exclusive.
Should I be petty and say the same about you? I haven’t “ignored” it. I just disagree.
With D-50? Sure. Did you notice that both sides were snarky and rude in that exchange, or is it perfectly fine when people being rude and snarky agree with you? I know it’s petty of me, but am I really the villain for returning any snark thrown my way? It’s the same with Dash, isn’t it? A double standard.
Edited because: Can't we all just get along?
“Uhhh… guys.
No one is going to convince anyone here.”
Oh don’t worry. I already understood we were just repeating ourselves, so I was done with that last comment.
No one is going to convince anyone here.
Unless there’s something new to add, you’re just going to go in circles.
And some of the comments veer into personal-attack territory. (Yes, one both sides, including “mine”.) It’s not a good image. You have my suggestion to both cut it out and leave with maybe some dignity intact.
Your choice. If you’re really having fun, keep going round the carousel.
I already got off.
The difference is that they were just boasting among each other, not in public. How does going to parade mean they’re bragging. They didn’t do any tricks or anything, they just kindly came as to not dissapoint the town, then Dash rudely interrupts it.
If she was so hurt and felt worthless, why did she front and act like she was good when Scootaloo came? Looking sad for a minute doesn’t really qualify when most of the episode, she was acting extremely jealous because she felt entitled to be the only hero and have fans.
You have ignored a lot of what people said. You rely a lot on false equivalence too. Add that with the fact that you come off as rude with these snarky ass comments and it just seems to me you’re content with believing Dash had some cruelty done to her. I’ll let someone us “debate” with you.
I didn’t say I was leaving.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Edited because: Didn't exceed already low expectations.
Pathetic rebuttal.
Perfectly valid claim. “Bullies use those phrases, therefore, it was bullying” is a weak argument that relies on false equivalence and ignoring context.
You pretty much did.
That’s more false equivalence. “It’s a symptom of bullying, therefore it is bullying.” Broken logic.
It’s a waste of time for me to engage in any argument revolving around the “pain” RD felt. It’s clear you interpreted it as far more damaging than I did. What you describe her feeling sounds more like what she went through in Sonic Rainboom than anything in MMDW.
shame on you for having an opinion!
My rebuttal:
Me:
You:
to this, and other drama comment sections in general
Edited
Me:
your current filter.Edited because: some crumbs over here, yum
@Tide
@Draco_2k
me: reads comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPXr8SNKaAA
Edited
Essentially it sounds like they fixed up a lot of MMDW’s problems, though not quite. I haven’t seen it myself yet. I said earlier that Boast Busters is essentially a better version of Mare-do-Well, which just makes it more baffling considering that one came earlier.
@Tide
Ah, so they’re not bragging, they’re boasting, one’s fine and the other’s not… This is extremely arbitrary.
Same. Why does MDW get a pass on bragging and parading herself in front a crowd but RD doesn’t?
Agreed. Scootaloo in particular.
Link
your current filter.Though I’d just as well link to the entire episode. I’d say half of it dedicated entirely to showing RD going through various stages of grief. Unless you want to argue that her sulking and being angry and paranoid don’t qualify for a big enough issue? Then perhaps you’d like to say where one should draw a line of how much it’s okay to hurt other people?
@D50
Pathetic thing to say.
Baseless claim. Dismissed.
I didn’t. Quote: “Their only stated reason for going through with it was that Rainbow’s bragging was annoying to them. So they did it all for very selfish reasons … they donned the costume to upstage Rainbow Dash. That’s the whole point of Mare-do-Well.”
I think we’re perfectly in agreement here.
If - ignoring for a second why it would ever be a good idea - the goal of Mare-do-Well was to help RD to either better herself or to stop putting other ponies in danger or to provide her with a good role model, then that is a defensible position. It’s just not what seemed to happen in the episode; all that takes a backseat to the fact that RD was being a braggart, and apparently that’s a mortal sin that deserves to be punished?..
Same as above. Defensible argument if that was actually portrayed in the episode.
Sure as hell never said that. On the other hoof, I can produce the same thing coming from your mouth: “I was stating facts. If you felt insulted by that, I can only assume you have a natural aversion to the truth.”
Of course she was jealous (and petty for that, too). Jealousy, anger, and being genuinely hurt aren’t mutually exclusive: in fact, they’re the typical ways people either cover up or express being genuinely hurt, especially when they’re immature (as Rainbow Dash very much is).
If you work for a year on a painting commission and the art gallery throws it in the trash in favor of something else, are you jealous, angry, hurt, or both?
As a corollary, dismissing someone’s pain as “just being jealous” is extremely mean-spirited, and is yet another bullying cliche. That’s why I call it “bullying”, by the way: because it fits all the textbook symptoms even if we don’t ituitively identify it as such.
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Well then… Insulting your opponent is not how you “ask”.
I could have just as easily dismissed your comment by replacing your every “you’re exaggerating” with “you’re underplaying” (but that’d be too petty). The point is that your original post was nothing but purely subjective judgement (“You’re just exaggerating the problem”) presented as perfectly objective. As if you know how much is too much, I don’t, end of discussion. Not a good argument. That or accusing me of lying (see problem above; just because someone doesn’t see with you eye to eye doesn’t mean they’re lying).
A good foundation for any discussion is keeping in mind that you might be wrong about something. If you go around saying things like “What I say is fact”, well, why even bother arguing?..
Edited because: This wall of text was erected on 15th of August, 2016 in defiance of international regulations, and is scheduled to be pulled down in short order.
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