@Background Pony #2B09  

@Background Pony #D910  
You know the show relies on cartoon physics and falling 100 feet won’t even bruise someone, right?

@TexasUberAlles  
“Those people playing dice in an alleyway sure were dressed to the d10s for po’folk, as was everyone else we saw. Bling may be a dumb way to spend money, but you still gotta have the money to spend dumbly”  
So you say that they afforded clothing, but also insist that “but that’s what you’d expect a town full of misers and hoarders to look like; there’s a difference between not having money and not spending money”  
How? When the griffons were being greedy they very imply that they were using the cash for such things, they either hoarded it or used it as a means to an end (Gilda’s fuck this gay town fund).

@ColdhardSilver  
That’s fine and dandy, but I’m talking about people literally saying Pinkie Pie’s clueless antics justified Gilda’s attempts to send her crashing down to the ground without a parachute. And yes, I’ve seen one or two people say just that.

@ColdhardSilver  
people are playing dice in alley ways  
Those people playing dice in an alleyway sure were dressed to the d10s for po’folk, as was everyone else we saw. Bling may be a dumb way to spend money, but you still gotta have the money to spend dumbly.
 
sell scones to get the money to leave  
Given how quick on the gimme-gimme all the Griffons were, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that someone would need extra cash to afford supplies to get outta town. And what else do you figure Gilda would be doing to make money? All we know about her skillset is that she could fly real good as a kid and that baked bads are her specialty.
 
If the writers wanted to show that GS wasn’t a impoverished birdcage  
The town itself was surely a dump, but that’s what you’d expect a town full of misers and hoarders to look like; there’s a difference between not having money and not spending money. The real world is full of examples of municipalities that are rollin’ in tax income, but look like piles of rusty turds because none of it gets spent on infrastructure.

@Background Pony #D910  
Not justified, we just know the reasoning now. It doesn’t justify just establishes the reasoning and context.

@TexasUberAlles  
“What is up with so many people thinking Griffonstone’s problem is that it’s poor?”  
Dude the town in all essence of the word is a ghetto. The buildings were ruined, the houses have decayed, people are playing dice in alley ways, etc. Also 2 things  

@TexasUberAlles  
I suspect at least some people haven’t forgotten that, they just think it was justifiable.

What is up with so many people thinking Griffonstone’s problem is that it’s poor? Ain’t none-a them birdcats look underfed, and none of the clothes they were wearing were tattered or ratty looking; the problem was obviously– as in, “they literally said it out loud several times”– that the Griffons just didn’t give a pluck any more.
 
@requiem-dirge  
startling Granny Smith  
Everyone also keeps forgetting that she straight up tried to murder Pinkie on two separate occasions. She may have had perfectly understandable reasons for turning into a jerkass, but she did in fact turn into a jerkass.

@Background Pony #A339
 
Man stardust could go either way. She coulda either had a /wake up call/ or just dipped further into cray.

@Background Pony #A339
 
Huh, interesting thing is that if you go to Wikipedia and look up bullying, there’s no swedish page for it!
 
There is one for mobbing.
 

 
Also, some swedish translation sites use the term “översittare” for bully, a term certainly associated with jerks who like to boss people around and always want to get their way.
 
English vs Swedish:
 
“History has consistently shown that the correct approach is to stand up to a bully.
 
Historien har genomgående visat oss att det rätta är att stå upp mot översittare.”

@RWB  
The show seems to go with one closer to the English definition. The dragon from Dragonshy was referred to as a bully, and it certainly didn’t go after anyone.

@Background Pony #D910
 
“Yeah, calling her a thief and a bully based on “Griffon the Brush Off” was such a grave injustice, akin to calling Suri Polomare a backstabbing cheater.”
 
Thief=correct, major jerkass= correct, but bully?
 
…Huh, reading up on the actual english definiton of a bully actually taught that it’s different from the swedish equivalent “Mobbare”. “Mobbare” need to at least do some actual targeting of a victim to be considered one, while a “bully” can be anyone who acts like a jerk to others because they are stronger(or other reasons).
 
So yeah, Gilda is a bully by the english definition, but not according to the swedish version(where she would just be considered a jerk). The swedish version seems to be more based on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

@MeshGearFox  
It’s worth mentioning that the show has given us another near-sociopathic character, one who interacted with Rainbow Dash in much the same way Gilda did. And this one didn’t have nearly as strong an excuse for it.
 

@Background Pony #D910
 
I think the problem with Gilda and Discord is that never really seemed all THAT bad. Initial showings made Discord feel like he wasn’t evil so much as too out of touch with reality to realize he was hurting people, and Gilda was totally a jerk but she also seemed really /troubled/ and like she needed help, which is pretty much what future character development’s gone with.
 
It’s totally a valid plot point to do that but idk if the show’s really had enough /genuinely sociopathic/ characters to really do that. Even Bug Princess felt like there was more going on with her to write off as outright evil.
 
Starlight Glimmer’s the biggest case of /deep sociopathy/ in the show by a long shot and I think her cult worked alright as a symbol for a destructive relationship too.
 
(Or: One time I saw a poster saying that the key to happiness was to cut out the negative people from your life. Which I thought was garbage advice, because a lot of times the negative people in your life are sad for a reason and you’d be better off helping them get out of it instead of further isolating them).

@Ferrotter  
Even though I loved this episode, I have to agree 100%. Now if they want that lesson, they’ll have to create a new character who’s been friends with someone in the Mane 6, and show them to be an irredeemable sphincter that has to be cut out from the protagonist’s life. And, of course, a sizeable group of bronies will rise up to denounce the Mane 6 and woobify the new jerk…
 
(Would’ve been nice if Suri had been introduced as a friend of Rarity’s before moving to Manehattan to break into the fashion business.)

@requiem-dirge  

 
This works really well because Fluttershy’s also got her /dark side/; also Gilda probably disliked Fluttershy more cause of the similarity.
 
So their main difference is that Fluttershy’s part of a caring and reasonably actualized society while Gilda’s living in a psychotic and trapped society that had their concept of national identity wrecked by freaky cyclops goat demons .
 
(Also something something movie involving Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger).

This is something I did not want to see, because the lesson that some people are inveterate plotholes who cannot be reformed is important. As is the lesson that such people should simply be removed from your life when possible:  
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Nevertheless, they did the story well. Show trumps book, reformable Gilda is now canon.

Huh.  
The funny thing is, I was thinking about how much it sucks for Gilda after watching Make New Friends …, and then I completely forgot about while watching The Lost Treasure …, despite it being shoved blatantly in our faces.

@Tirek  
…I think you misread my comment. I’ve always thought of Gilda as a selfish, ill-tempered jerk with a good side (and, thus, not beyond redemption); even with this episode, I still hold her fully responsible for how she acted in “Griffon the Brush Off” and for the loss of her friendship with Rainbow Dash. (Though I’m not one of those who are almost maniacally fixated on her yelling at Fluttershy, or say they’ll never forgive her, or argue that she deserved prison or worse for what she did; and yes, I’m glad to see her reformed.) Basically, I saw Gilda and Rainbow Dash as being a pair of troubled, rebellious youths in flight camp, with Dash straightening herself out as she grew up and Gilda falling further into selfishness and anger.

@Tirek  
I think Diamond Tiara is actually a unicorn with a really nubby horn and, as a result, will never be able to perform even the most basic of magic. She lashes out at others who are deficient–that is, “blank flanks–to make herself feel better.

@requiem-dirge  
Yes, they are jerks. Just like their dragon copies (who also tried to kill baby animals)
 
I think Silver Spoon might actually be a friendly pony. She could just be a typical follower and tries to impress Diamond Tiara, so she won’t leave her as a friend

@Tirek  
Well, Babs got better. Allegedly. …do better, writers.
 
The Sports Pegasi are jerks to this day. And, I’m not entirely convinced Diamond Tiara isn’t a spiteful demon in the form of a pony. Silver Spoon, make new friends. Diamond Tiara will ditch you the moment she finds a new, better bestie!

@requiem-dirge  
Yes, that was very mean of her. Like you said, a scene where she apologize for everything would be awesome

@requiem-dirge  
That would be an awesome episode^^ Especially the last part;-)  
However, maybe the bullies also have some reason for becoming bullies. Just like Babs Seed.  
I don’t like them but maybe someday we will get an answer why they acted that way. Same thing with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon