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Tastes imply preference, whereas substance implies skill, experience and/or knowledge. At least to my understanding. Tastes and substance aren’t unrelated, as a person’s preference may influence what they consider to be skillful, expert and so on. Though in my opinion, a good critic wouldn’t let their tastes affect their judgement on art, unless they have sound reasoning to support.
A critic can still acknowledge that a work is good (has substance), but the style may not be aligned with their aesthetic preferences (tastes). Saying that my art has little/ or no substance is quite subjective, and for it to carry weight as a criticism, I think the person saying that should back that up with an argument, otherwise it can be dismissed.
@paluzna
That’s kind of a defeatist attitude isn’t it? Where’s your passion? It needs to be 20% cooler.
@paluzna
Thanks for the advice and I will take that on. I have already tried porn and animation, but even that really didn’t catch on.
@paluzna
Actually looking back at my work, it hasn’t been as neglected as I thought. I suppose I took the amount of acclaim which I received here for granted.
But if that’s true about what you say, then the crowd here is mostly conservative, and uncultured. So I guess we are in agreement unfortunately. I just wish some people were more informed and open minded to new things.
@paluzna
But I have met some people who are knowledgeable here and elsewhere on the internet. There is still hope. We can make the Brony community a better place by educating ourselves on culture. We can rebuke the contentions of critics more swiftly and effectively, and turn a growing sub-culture into a pony-loving empire. Are you with me?
@paluzna
Thanks for understanding and reiterating my point, though there wasn’t any need for the snide remark at the end… That’s not very nice.
@paluzna
Why? It was fun and nobody got hurt (apart from fictional ponies). Does it make me less of an artist if i’m also an attention whore?
Ah, ok. That makes sense.
AFAIK pk has never sold anything traced. mostly becaue she doesnt do commisions…
I see. Well, I lost respect for Drawponies after that, and what’s eve more insulting is that he only admitted to it after he was caught. Not sure about Mistdash, though, and Pixelkitties was involved in the same, though I think it was one picture and she confessed immediately.
it was last year in july, when his name was chuckybb.
Wow, first Drawponies, and now MistyDash? I don’t pay enough attention enough. Then again, Horse News isn’t exactly the kind of site I go to.
you are talking about tastes, obviously people that have been exposed to diferent media will have diferent tastes.
“I’ll bet that a lot of folks downvote because they are uncultured and aren’t experienced with visual analysis/ critique or possibly ultra conservative.”
…so? its not like you can do anything about it, why complaint bout it?
“Just want senpai’s to notice me”
then you gota work on your more on your “hook” and not so much on the “content”
by hook i mean cheap content that everybody can dig, like porn, cute stuff, memes, animations or awesome looking stuff (even if its dumb as hell)
“Have I gotten worse or something?”
no, you just started to work on content that people in here arent familiar whit, therefore, no attention.
“So I have been wasting my time at the National Art School then?”
you need to learn how to aply your skills to draw in the audience.
“Ratofdrawn, RariJackdaily, MistyDash, Braddo”
prooft of concept of what i said erlier, they all draw porn or cute or both.
||misty dash is a hack that traced other people’s work and that lied to pass off as a DHX animator to get into a con ||
“The art critics here are (by and large) conservative and not very knowledgeable about art”
very few people on the internet know shit about how art works, big surprise eh?
“If people are going to critique work on this site, wouldn’t you expect them to have some knowledge on visual analysis/ critique?”
that would be lovely, but its unrealistic as fuck. this is the internet.
in short, if you want people to pay attention to your art, consider what your audience likes, the general tastes they might have, and use that.
@Background Pony #C436
re-read what Wiinajamizzi wrote, “uncultered” isnt an insult it just means somewhat doesnt know shit about a topic(which is true in this case), take that stick out of your pockets.
Thank you Benzene for taking the time to respond in a way which is true to you. I hope you don’t regret it, and so far, I don’t regret asking you. I think you must be a very kind person to even consider what you said as being remotely harsh.
@Benzene
Personally, I never thought that the purpose of this site was to offer critique to artists. I think we can both agree on that. However, would I be right in saying that critique is still allowed, although it is not commonly practiced here? If so, is there double standard between critique of an artwork on derpibooru, and critique or dismissal of said critique?
If there is indeed different treatment to a critic of art, to a critic of writing (about art) then I have a problem with that. I agreed with you when you made the case for the legitimacy of other disciplines of culture, such as music and literature for instance. But it doesn’t matter if I have a problem with that or not, since as a mere pleb of this site, I have no choice but to follow the terms and conditions of this site. I don’t think I am being unethical/ or breaching any rules by voicing my opinion on armchair critics through visual communication.
@Benzene
Of course. I am a judgemental person it’s true, but I am trying to overcome that. Still, I think that I can still accept and love people even if I judge them. My initial hasty judgements seem to vanish after I learn about those people more.
I will admit that my experience of people here is limited, and I will also admit that my assertion of folks here being mostly conservative or uncultured is just that, an assertion. I’m not submitting a peer reviewed paper on the subject, i’m simply making works to communicate my frustration in an entertaining way. Plus it has given me way more attention than I usually receive here, which I suppose makes it synonymous with troll behaviour.
@Benzene
See, critiques are nice, but I don’t expect them. I even enjoy receiving uncultured/ uninformed critiques, because people are talking about my art. I want more people to take notice of my work, whether they think its good or bad.
It might seem like I am upset (which may sometimes be the case to some degree), but another part of me is pumped up that people are taking the time to talk about my art. Yes, I do like praise more than scathing criticism; but I feel that praise wouldn’t be worth a damn if it was easy to be widely acclaimed.
I don’t think your rock concert analogy fits here. If I don’t receive proper critiques, that’s absolutely fine. But I should be allowed to punch back against harsh remarks (especially with no substance behind them). It’s an enjoyable experience for me. I love to argue about art, as it is a passion of mine. I feel I am within my rights to trash talk some kitsch loving hater, and its all in good fun. If people are going to be even more harsh because I wont let some ignorant folk get away with idiocy, then bring it. That’s what I really enjoy.
An artwork by itself can’t fight back. In my experience here in derpibooru, most haters pack up and leave after a few key strokes from me. It feels damn good. It feels even better when someone like you comes along and can actually hold their own. I think it makes my writing even stronger (but I still have much more to learn).
@Benzene
It’s clear i’m a student? Meaning, i’m showing that i’m cocky and inexperienced? I’d say that’s mostly because i’m in my element behind a computer screen. I’m not that confrontational in real life, besides, this is the first time i’ve done something like this in my three years of sharing my mlp art.
That’s a given. The universe is so beyond my comprehension in terms of how complex and large it is. There are so many subjects in which I am ignorant of, yet others excel in. I don’t think its a sin if people are ignorant in a certain field, I just like to take them to task if they think they can get away with thinking that they know more than they actually do.
If you feel like sharing, i’d very much like to know what your field is. I feel like I can learn a lot from you.
@Benzene
That’s an interesting anecdote. If what you say is true, then I also don’t think they are very nice. However, I think that writer has the right to practice their craft, even in a place they find abhorrent. And they are allowed to give their impressions of the fandom if they so desire.
You’re right, this site doesn’t suit my standards. The art school which I attend doesn’t suit my standards, but the world doesn’t revolve around me. Life isn’t always a walk in the park, so I know not everything is going to be roses. I’m just trigger happy when people talk about topics which I am passionate about.
I’m not so hostile to the brony community. In the beginning I would part with a lot of money and materials to make free artworks for people. I just became frustrated after years gone by when my teachers and fellow students give me high praise for my work, yet I don’t really have much of an audience in the brony community. My developing style doesn’t really fit the narrative of what constitutes “good MLP art”, especially my collage work, and am often met with hostility.
It is still possible to love someone if you think that they are uninformed. I still love the community, but in my opinion (as a 2nd year student) I think that when it comes to art, the majority of folk are hostile to different art. To make it worse, their hostility is unsubstantiated, and that motivates me. Maybe that’s me being immature/ cocky/ inexperienced or whatever, but that’s me. If i’m going to change, then i’ll change when i’m ready.
Thanks for staying so long and being so gracious. That’s a mighty wall of text there, but I enjoyed writing it. Even though we disagree, I hope we can still continue to exchange words civilly. I enjoyed this exchange with you, and I hope we can do it again sometime.
Speak my mind? I hope neither of us will regret anything I say.
The most unkind thing I would have said is that it’s clear you’re a student. You have the air of someone keen to show off what they’ve learned. You’re too gung-ho, as they say. It’s good that you’re passionate about your chosen field but you have to temper that with restraint.
Most people aren’t going to have the same knowledge of art that you do. It’s not a failure on their part no more than if I were to remark on your unfamiliarity with the kinds of technical subjects in my field.
It looks like you’re experimenting with various techniques (not being an artist I can’t say more and would prefer not to guess) which, again, is good. But again, this isn’t a site primarily for artists to get feedback. Some people do offer it, some are artists or have knowledge of the subject.
I realise that’s a point I keep repeating but it’s the most important one. The defining connection here is not art (no matter how tempting it may be to think that) but MLP. People aren’t here for art, they’re here for art pertaining to MLP. This community is an extension of a wider one.
I remember reading an interview with one particular fanfiction writer (who I shall not name for obvious reasons) who stated they wrote not because they liked the show or wanted to write fanfiction, but as a means to an end for their own trade and generally doesn’t hold the community overall in high regard. Well, something like that. And I was disgusted by how cynical and selfish a view that was.
Now, I’m not saying you’re doing the same thing but from what I can see, your thinking isn’t too different - you’re missing the point of this community and insulting it because it doesn’t meet your standards.
I realise I’m being harsh–more than I intended–and I’m sorry for that, but you wanted honesty and this is it. That said, I was already in a sour mood yesterday when I responded to you and having had a night to come back to myself, I feel I misjudged you.
Anyway, I’ll wait and see what you have to say.
You have not insulted me. You actually back up your opinion with reasoning, which I think is noble and respectable. The only thing which was close to insulting, was your withdrawral of your true thoughts in fear of insulting me.
So if you are willing and able, I’d very much like to hear what you have to say. I’m a bit saddened that you feel the need to use discretion and censor your comments for my sake. That goes against what I hold to be important as an artist.
I’d rather not address your contentions until you deliver them without restraint.
Well, that depends on whether you think the purpose of the site is to offer critique. I’d say most people would understand that it’s not. The comments are here for the community to interact, not for the express purpose of offering artists skilled criticism.
I’m not going to address your laundry list of interests; your last paragraph has the salient points.
My point was that your judgement is given after seeing only a very limited view of the people here. It might behove you to instead stop and consider that.
Exactly. Image sharing site. If you want critique then there’s dedicated sites for it. This is a bit like going to a rock concert and acting petulant because people aren’t sitting around offering thoughtful critiques of the performance.
No, frankly and I think that’s where your problem might lie. This is not a site of professional (or even amateur, for the most part) artists or critics. It’s just ordinary people giving ordinary opinions. You can’t come to a site like DB and get upset that your critique isn’t as thoughtful as you’d like. Again, you’re the one at fault for holding your expectations so high.
And yes, while you are entitled to voice your opinion, the way in which you do it matters just as much. Effective communication is about both the message and its delivery. Sometimes the latter is even more important. You have presented yourself as quite haughty and indignant, neither of which is going to leave most people disposed to responding to you any kinder.
Now, I could be wrong but I can only go by what I’ve seen here. I could be more honest than this (because there is more that I’d like to say) but I’d rather not risk insulting you more than I’m sure I already have.
It is presumptuous, yes. People are certainly entitled their opinion, just like I should be entitled to make art/ comments which belittle their opinion.
I say that I think most people here are uncultured because a lot of popular art here is conservative or not that technically impressive (with the exception of some very talented top tier artists). Besides, I didn’t say that my critics are ALL uncultured, I asserted that most of them were likely uncultured or were very conservative.
I am a writer (essays and poems), I used to play tenor saxophone in the school band and I study art at the National Art School. Whilst I may be more experienced and knowledgeable in the visual arts than the other disciplines, I still know some things. After all, a cultured individual would probably know that creative movements don’t adhere to just one discipline.
Baroque music, Baroque art, Baroque literature. Classical music, Classical art, Classical literature. Symbolist art, Symbolist literature and Symbolist music. On and on it goes. The disciplines are distinct but they feed one another. As of yet, not one of my harsher critics have displayed any knowledge or experience in identifying styles or intentions.
To top it off, this is derpibooru. Is it a music sharing site? Is it a literature sharing site? I’m pretty sure it’s an image sharing site, you know, witch visual images. If people are going to critique work on this site, wouldn’t you expect them to have some knowledge on visual analysis/ critique?
I know the Japanese really frown on it.
How bout Diagonalvotes?
What now, foo?
In some people’s eyes it is.
I see. That’s good. Not like arrogance is a crime or anything.
I havent downvoted though.
As much as I dislike her, I wouldn’t wish death upon them. XD
I downvoted just as a screw you to OP. Not because of Rainbow Dash.
@ChrisEggII
Good thing that’s G3 Rainbow Dash.
Feck sake, I forgot to uncheck the post anonymously box.
It’s not the fault of your audience if you can’t express yourself clearly.
@Wiinajamizzi
Uncultured because they aren’t as familiar with artistic critique as you are? That’s a little presumptuous, no? I’m sure most people are here just to enjoy artwork they like (and there’s nothing wrong with that). Now, I realise it’s possible (probable?) you’re being facetious but calling people uncultured along such a narrow scope (maybe they’re connoisseurs of music or literature or any other artistic medium) is just stirring the pot.
DB already sees enough trolls as it is, you don’t need to add to that, whether you’re doing it intentionally or not.