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Now that I think about it, perhaps it’s not much that it contradicts the show, but more that it clashes with something that was established before and therefore many feel like a contradiction. It doesn’t help that the writer admited he wrote the story as a counterpoint to Dragon Quest basically trying to dismiss what was showcased in that episode.
But for me the biggest flaw of the comic WASN’T Dragontown, surprisingly. I’ve always gone by the motto of “If it’s still enjoyable and good on it’s own, I can forgive any contradictions or retcons”, and sadly that comic wasn’t good. Luna comes off as very judgmental and adds little to the story (and this was ssupposed to be a Luna & Spike comic. Not Spike Feat. Luna, and Save for By The Book the other Police officers comes out as jerkish and racist as possible, so their apology at the end comes out as an attempt to make up for everything but feels very weak. Not to mention the fact it was a… Pokemon… Thingy… The true culprit, dismissing any kind of guilt of both sides. Basically aN easy road to avoid showcasing both sides as wrong and right, and instead show the dragons as innocent victims of the bad racists ponies.
But problems aside, I can agree with something: maybe this comic can take away what made Spike unique as a dragon, but it deffinitively didn’t take what makes him unique as a character, and if something was done right was show many of Spike’s traits that make him the little #1 Assistant we love so much.
I should forget to check back more often!
@angrybrony They turned her into essentially Princess Spongebob. Mah boy @Dizzy Pen @Dizzy Pen hit it way out of the park though as that’s what I typically say/paste comic panels from. Everything that isn’t the Mac arc and Nuhfer’s run, she’s grown up Diamond Tiara. But worse, because we know how she’s really supposed to be acting and we know she cares about her subjects’ feelings and thoughts about her a heck of a lot. Anyway I had to go pick up and deliver a package suddenly at work and forgot what the thumbnail of the picture I made that post in even looked like. Whoopee, alzheimer’s!
@TexasUberAlles Hats off ta ye sir, defendin’ ol Spike as ya always do. I don’t quite care enough about Spike outside of Sparity to carry around a list of defenses but it seems like pretty much no one, not even some of the writers, know what to do with the poor chap. My big two complaints about that story was that there was no telegraphing dragons existed there even within the city itself, no ‘made in dragontown’ stencils on anything, nobody mentioning buying anything from them (which makes sense if NOBODY ON THE FRICKIN’ STAFF DISCUSSES STORYLINES WITH EACH OTHER) which is at least explained by that massive flub in communications, and that once again we get disappointing dragons.
Stop with the new dragons, both of you! Lets have Spike talk to some ADULT dragons for once! We already have some of those, and nobody thought to ask them anything about Spike yet!
Although with the back&forth between SU so much lately, I kinda really want “Cedric” to come back……And be voiced by Greg Universe and just totally bro-the-fuck-up with Spike.
Again, none of that is actually contradictory; it takes very little in the way of logical extension to fit all of it into the information we already have. Twilight says almost nothing is known about Dragons, yet they knew when and where the migration would take place, and that it wasn’t a cause for alarm to the nearby town, unlike previous encounters with nearby Dragons; the obvious implication is that Twilight was exaggerating for effect and/or projecting her own personal lack of knowledge onto everypony else, as she has done many times before. The assumption that Celestia would jump to inform Twilight/Spike of the existence of a newly-founded Dragon Town doesn’t really fit with what we’ve seen of her hooves-off approach to teaching her star pupil in any other situation, and Twilight’s appalling lack of Dragon medical knowledge in Secret Of My Excess makes it perfectly clear that she wasn’t exactly jumping to learn more about Dragons until it became a personal issue for her. Spike himself is a perfect example of what Dragons are like when they settle down to live in Pony society rather than go a-hoardin’: smaller, more sociable, and less aggressive than migrating/hoarding Dragons. When Twilight accidentally up-aged him moments after hatching he burst through the roof, so being large is in his base nature as well– irrespective of any greed– yet there he is at twelve or thirteen, the size of a preteen Pony. Probably he is still a “baby” by Dragon standards, but even so, he got pretty embiggened all at once when he reverted to being greedy in SOMES. I think Dragon size is probably determined at least as much by aggressiveness as greed itself, and the same way a mountain man livin’ on his own in the wilderness has to be harder and tougher and more of a bear-strangler than a downtown man livin’ on his own in an efficiency apartment in a major city, a Dragon living on top of a mountain in the Badlands who constantly has to defend his stuff against uppity troublemaker Dragons is going to be a lot more monstrous than a D with a Desk Job on the East Side of town.
The IDW Hate Squad were always going to hate the concept of Dragon Town just by virtue of being in Teh Eebul Comix, but I think you’ve hit on one of the major reasons why Dragon Town was also poorly received among many non
douche comic readers-it seemed to take away much of what made Spike unique among his kind by putting a community of similarly non-monstrous Dragons in the middle of a major city. I disagree with that assessment, though; what makes Spike unique is being Spike– a tough, brave, loyal, and hardworking little guy who laughs and jokes and goofs around, but Dragons Up and stands steadfast by his friends any time they need help.Huh, I really wasn’t expecting someone actually defending this in a rational way. But still… Nothing in Read It and Weep established Daring Do couldn’t be real, we ASSUMED it couldn’t be real because… Books are mostly fantasy. And even then they took the risk of making her real… and I loved it xP.
Now with Dragontown… maybe it was a mistake or a good thing for Twilight to establish that “There is barely no knowledge on dragons because they’re big and scary.” But the one thing that keeps people scratching their heads is “If there is a community of peaceful dragons leaving near a town of ponies, how is that Twilight hasn’t ever heard of it?”
You can say “It was settled after Dragon Quest happened”, but still it should be something Celestia could have told Twilight, especially with her love of studies. And then there is the issue with the dragons themselves: They are not that much taller than a pony, the ARE adult dragons despite that, have NO interest in making hoards as their nests/homes, and leave peacefully near ponykind. I’m not generalizing saying that all dragons must be mean, but there is a difference between behaviour and nature. According to the show, making hoards and being greedy is in their nature, as so is growing older and bigger the more they have; and other episodes made it clear they are usually lonely creatures, barely coming togethers for events like the Dragon Migration, which on itself was presented as very rare because it’s one of the few times they could see large groups of dragons together. And that’s what the comic contradicts by having dragons that age normally, don’t grow that much bigger than a pony, live peacefully near them and apparently are just as social as Spike.
Which brings me to a more personal flaw of the comic: It takes away what makes Spike special. Before it was a thing, Spike was an unique dragon who decided to be more part of the ponies than the dragons, that because how much he loves one pony he can go against his own nature (and metabolism since he turned into an adult and back into a kid out of willpower… Yeah, I find that silly too) just to be with her, and that despite being a dragon that could be otherwise seen as dangerous he has won a place as a friend, hero, and important figure in Equestria. And suddenly you introduce a community of dragons that also go against their natures and live among ponies. This turns Spike from the “One of a Kind” into “Just another of these dragons”.
You’re assuming people want to have Dragon Town explained in a rational way that makes it consistent with the show. If you hate the story/writer/concept, it’s a lot more satisfying to wield the “it contradicts the show!” cudgel.
Nothing about Dragon Town actually “contradicted” anything from the show, any more than having Daring Do be a real person “contradicted” Read It And Weep; adding to lore doesn’t invalidate what came before just because of changing it. New information doesn’t exactly break the universe if you can explain how it fits with old information in one sentence: “Twilight has a well-established habit of mistaking her knowledge for the sum total of knowledge on a subject, and it makes sense that there would be a difference between wild migratory dragons and settled dragons like Spike and that they might have recently decided that a Dragon community in a Pony city would be a good way to demonstrate that to everypony”, for example.
to be fare all tho Kibitz is one of the best part of the comics he was being kind of dick. i also liked luna’s little speech about the day
Thanks for reminding me of that episode, because that reminded me another terrible flaw Katie commits so often: Luna abusing her authority.
In Luna Eclipsed she wants to form part of the celebration, but her outdated traditions and manners don’t let her blend in, besides hating her past as Nightmare Moon.
In her micro, she comes as an insolent brat who mostly cares about herself and being in the right. She makes the ponies in a Tea party into her living chess pieces and then completely forgets about them, takes Kibitz valuable scroll and LITERALLY shoves it on his mouth and also only cares about fun, based solely on the fact she said “she liked having fun” in Luna Eclipsed, and treatening as her whole main trait.
When was that? I can’t think of any issues that meet that description.
Honestly, Luna’s behavior in her Micro series issue can at least be explained by her being out of her element and probably sleep derived. Wouldn’t explain the exaggeration of her “not in tune with modern society” in Cook’s other issues…
Really, the biggest problem with the comics is the distinct lack of communication between the different writers and artists, which at least one of them has outright admitted to. That’s why the quality fluctuates so often.
Luna eclipsed was during ninghmare night, you dont act like you do on hallowen on every other day, also that was a party where Luna was the center of atention, you also dont always act like you do on your birthday
Love how you completely ignore Luna Eclipsed, which is what the comic’s Luna is closer to.
Pretty sure it didn’t, but why would that even matter?
i didn’t the comic come first?
I Know you would say that!, not that you are wrong or something…
See Sleepless in Ponyville, For Whom The Sweetie Belle Toils and Bloom & Gloom. Then read Luna’s Micro.
That guy might sound like the biggest hater in the Universe, and a complete wacko, but he has a point there. Save for Big Mac’s ar, Katie has some of the most questionable portrayals of the characters, Luna being the Worst offender.
how did they “ruin” luna
Oh yes,he is.I lurked one time there,he usea user name “Krawczyk” complete with trip code and all
Nah, he’s not a channer (to my knowledge anyway; I’ve no idea if he actually goes there), just a duck.
“Or perhaps Cook’s tears when I beat her with an actual ferret”
Dont cut yourself on that edge ,little channer :-)
Personally, my opinion on the Dragon Town thing is that it’s probably a relatively recent establishment founded specifically to improve pony-dragon relations, which is not only why Twilight didn’t know about it (it was founded long after the events of “Dragon Quest”) but would also explain why the relationship between the ponies of Fillydelphia and the dragons of Dragon Town are so tense (they’re not used to dealing with each other).
Spike is a very rare case of a dragon, and yet he can’t ignore his dragon instincs all the time. (Spike At Your Service anyone?)
And about Big scary dragons with hordes…. Ehem… Dragonshy, Owl That Ends Well, Dragon Quest, basically every episode with dragons features them having hordes, being incredibly tall and somewhat dangerous.
@angrybrony
It seem you saw Silver Quill’s review and got a fact wrong. he said the story could have work better if the habitants of Dragontown were half-breeds, not that they were.
@Kolbjorn
I’ll put it as simple as possible: Because Whitley hated Dragon Quest, do he wrote a Story that contradicted most of its major points in an attempt to give dragons a better face.
…and he failed. Miserably. Specially since Agnes didn’t help either and made them look like rejected Dragon Tales characters mixed with Flintstones-like sitcom appearances.
@TexasUberAlles
EXACTLY! They feel they know better, but.in fact are doing the exact same thing as Whitley: “I HATE THIS SO MUCH! OH I KNOW! I’LL FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT NON-CANON!!!”
That comic contradicted the shows continuity Big time, so yeah… It cannot be considered “canon”, “in continuity”, you pick the word. BUT it’s mostly because of Levels of “canon” (Show is Canon-A while comics are Canon-B. It contradicts the show so it can’t be Canon-A, but until contradicted it is Canon-B) and not because of “HURRDURRIHATETHISSOMUCH”.
And just to be fair… I love the Nightmarity Arc, but I agree it contradicts the show Big time. Doesn’t stop me from enjoying it and liking it, even if it will never be in canon with the show.
P.D. NONOW I REALIZE WHY THOSE PEOPLE BITCH SO MUCH! They only work with ONE AND ONLY CANON, so If it doesn’t fit that single canon, then they whine about it.
Seriously it is so stupid that people keep arglebargleing about this. The show and the comics are both vetted by the same Hasbrobots to keep the comics consistent with what the show is doing, but they’re two different media with wildly different production schedules, which means it’s just never going to be possible for them to synch up completely. If you want to see them as part of the same shared continuity? Do it! Nothin’ stoppin’ you! If you want to see them as separate continuities because you don’t think they line up closely enough, or because you hate them and don’t like being happy? Do it! Nothin’ stoppin’ you!
A lot of the people whose response to almost any complaint around here (that they didn’t make, of course) is “FILTER THE TAGS!!1!” are the same people constantly bitching and moaning about the comics instead of just ignoring them.