“Is she with you?”
 
“I thought she was with you”

@Cirrus Light  
it’s good exercise!

@redweasel  
Meh. You’ll cause yourself a lot of stress being argumentative.

@Cirrus Light  
sorry for being so obstinant about it. I really just enjoy arguing about the virtues of the show because it’s awesome. people can call it a kid’s show, long as they’re not looking for my approval.

@redweasel  
Fair enough. I still don’t think us calling it something different would make it change much. They may add more stuff in a shadowed or veiled kind of way, but arguably they do that already.
 
But I agree with the rest in letter and spirit.

@Cirrus Light  

but that’s what a kid’s show is. the reason kid’s shows are often about school is that kids in real life have their whole lives revolving around school. kids aren’t (usually) allowed to work, or to own businesses. they’re not grown up, and they don’t get any responsibility. so when a show is designed specifically to appeal to kids, any adult characters will be passively supportive at best, and all the stars will be underage youth. it will most certainly feature plots about dealing with people who have absolute authority over you, either acting out against them, or benefiting from their control.
 
I call something a kid’s show if it’s made for kids, by kids, and/or about kids. it’s like how AARP is a retirement magazine, so you won’t find tips on dealing with that cute boy in gym class in it. too many people think that shows for general audiences are kid’s shows, but there is a very clear genre in my opinion, of shows and commercials specifically catering to a child audience.
 

right, because I don’t call it a kid’s show, I suddenly think they’re going to whip out all the sex, drugs and rock and roll. that’s exactly what I was saying.
 
if enough people start calling it one thing or another, then the show creators will change it. people wanted more stallions in mlp, people got more stallions in mlp. I can only choose my own behavior, what I personally will call something, but that doesn’t mean I’m implying that I alone decide the fate of it. we all do, and each of our voices counts towards it. considering carefully what I say does not mean I’m arrogant or deluded for daring to think that anything I say matters.
 

maybe it was too emotionally loaded a comparison. calling a show a kid’s show is like calling a supermarket a meat-market, just because it sells meat. it’s like calling an acrobat a “somersaulter” or calling a computer a “phone” or calling a human a “resource.” limiting something to kid’s shows, when it is more than that is just… disrespectful in my opinion. not everything kids watch has to be specifically catered to them alone.

@redweasel  
Whether you call it a kid’s show or not is not going to make it so suddenly it will have mature episodes. Hate to disappoint, but that will never happen. The closest we’ll get is what we’ve already seen: veiled stuff, at best. If you think it will suddenly ever stop being Y or Y7, then you’ve spent too long on the internet.
 
Also, if you think calling it a kids’ show will make them remove all adult characters and make everyone live with their parents and their plots about school, then you’ve also spent too much time on the internet that’s what Equestria Girls was for.
 
Also, what the freak? Trying to defend a battered woman by calling her that… Is somehow equivalent to calling a family-friendly show… A kids’ show?
 
You know what? I’ll give you this much; calling it a “family friendly” show is probably more accurate. But it’s kind of pointless since anyone here should already know it’s not Peppa the Pig or Dora the Explorer, and calling it a different name on a pony image booru is not going to make the show creators suddenly decide to throw all the characters back into magic kindegarden or turn it into a who-slept-with-who sitcom with “adult” scenes.

@Cirrus Light  
so let me get this straight… it’s not a “kid’s show” and if we can get it recognized as not a kid’s show, we’ll get our pony yiff scene. so therefore, we should go in assuming we lost, always refer to it as a kid’s show, and help the censors prevent it from being recognized as anything else?
 
I mean, if you want them to remove all adult characters, make everyone live with their parents, and make all plots about life in elementary school, then yes you can call it a kid’s show, but otherwise I’m baffled at your motivation for defending it as such.
 
when I want to predict that pony won’t be anatomically correct on TV, I say “they’ll never get it past the censors.” I don’t start calling it a kid’s show. that’s like trying to defend a battered woman by calling her a trashy whore.
 
considering tirek’s blast actually did kill a giant beautiful *sob* tree, I don’t know that it’s fair to compare with starlight here. if they wanted it to look like a killing blow, they’d have had twi teleport them out and starlight’s blast melt a hole in the side of the mountain, or something. it did look pretty wicked awesome though.

@redweasel  
“It’s a kids show” is true to the extent that they’ll never add content to it that you cannot add to a show for kids. It doesn’t mean they can’t add adult topics; it’s just if they do, they’ll have some level of euphemism of veiling.
 
ie, we won’t get a pony snax scene. That doesn’t necessarily prove it’s a kids show, but calling it a kids’ show, in that regard, is an effective way to make predictions, thus, like any theory in physics, it’s “true enough” (since being able to make predictions with something is more or less the criteria for it being “true”).
 
Really it’s just kind of pointless pedantry… Though I agree with your sentiment that it’s incredibly annoying when people brush it off with “it’s a kids show” or use it to state some stupid hypothesis like there can never be any risk in it, or ponies produce by budding or something stupid like that. They seem to forget, that despite its nature, the ponies lives have been endangered many times (example: the landslide in S1E2), Sombra died, and there have been plenty of attempted murders (ie, Tirek blasting the fireball at Twi that destroyed the single best place in fiction to ever exist - the Golden Oaks), so Starlight firing a death blast at those ponies is perfectly within the show’s rating. You can argue other reasons that that might not have been a killing blow, but you can’t make the rating argument.

@Cirrus Light  
in english, association has many different meanings. it can convey ownership, as in a kid owns the show, or it can convey focus, as in kids are the ones who star in the show, or it can convey dependency, that it’s a show designed for an audience of kids. that’s what it means to call something a kid’s show. it doesn’t mean an adult’s show that doesn’t have death in it, nor does it mean a show for all audiences that sugarcoats troubling topics. so when you call mlp a “kid’s show” I can’t say you’re correct. even if what you say is true, it only states that kid’s shows can have no permadeath, but the converse to that is not necessarily true, so mlp having no permadeath doesn’t imply anything about whether it’s a kid’s show or not.
 
“you can’t do that on television” was a kid’s show. “call of the cutie” was a kid’s episode. mlp:fim in general is just… not especially forbidden to children, even those with anally retentive parents.

@redweasel  
And it being a kid’s show just means none of the characters will ever permadeath (which is true of many shows anyways) and if there’s references to adult topics they’ll be veiled.

@Dirty Bit  
I know I just love being piccayunish about people saying it’s a kid’s show
 
really though, they go through a surprising amount of effort to avoid committing to being just a kid’s show. I like to recognize it.

@redweasel
 
Point taken. Nevertheless, my point about friendship still stands :U

@Background Pony #15D1  

 
wow, you’re right. that is disproportionate retribution!
 
 
@Dirty Bit  

TV-Y means that children can watch it without their inferior, primitive childbrains melting into puddles. it doesn’t mean children are supposed to be the ones watching it, or that it’s inappropriate for adults.
 
really, TV-Y more implies that it’s a “wimp’s show” than a “kid’s show”.

@Background Pony #15D1  
See previous comments…

@Dirty Bit  

 
How is she worse?  
All she did was trip a kid. Who did not even get hurt.
 
None of the potential damage, that could have happened would not have been done by Starlight.  
At worst she would have been an accessory.

@Background Pony #15D1
 
Remember that this is a kid’s show.
 
Also, what separates Starlight from Tirek was that she was willing to accept and learn more about friendship.
 
Won’t deny that she was worse than Tirek with her screwing with time, but them’s the breaks.

Ugh My point is: How can Tirek get sent to eternal prison yet Starlight gets away with something that’s, arguably, even worse than just wrecking a country!?
 
I’m not saying she needs to be executed for what she did but for fucks sake, where’s capital punishment when something critically horrible has happened!?

@Cirrus Light  
right, even though they did it, you un-did them doing it. time cops have it rough.

@redweasel  
Then if you try to arrest or otherwise punish them, you’ll be punishing them for something they haven’t done :p

@Cirrus Light  
I do think starlight wasn’t intentionally trying to destroy everything. I just find it hilarious that when you use time travel to defeat a villain, they’ve actually committed no crime because you retroactively stopped all their crimes from ever happening.

@Jarkes  
@redweasel  
Jarkes’ is more compelling, but they’re both worthy counterarguments.

@Jarkes  
no, I mean even if she had intended to destroy the space-time continuum, she didn’t. she didn’t create the wasteland. she never caused the crystal war. she never changed history so that the changeling queen would win. she never changed history at all, not even once.

@redweasel
 
I really don’t get why people act like she was INTENTIONALLY trying to destroy the space-time continuum. Her reaction to the wasteland quite clearly indicated that she WASN’T. She didn’t expect Twilight and her friends to be so damn important to Equestria.

@Background Pony #15D1  
she didn’t screw the timeline though. ;)
 
it never happened.