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>>562095
I’m still not entirely sure why I got banned. Apparently I pissed TSP off, but I’m not sure what I said that was so offensive.
@IrieMangaStudios
I’ll be honest, I never question them myself. Because I don’t give a damn.
And you are right, some people do ask just to be patronizing or to start shit. But if you just loop everyone into the same category (the racist categoty) then you are bound to run into the few people who are genuinely curious about that particular artist’s reason for portraying a character as black.
…what?
Sometimes questions could be viewed a patronizing rather than view as sincere inquiry. If you have to question why this skin color, first ask yourself “would be treated the same way if asked on a white character?”
Have to go back on this scene on Adult Swim’s Sealab 2021: There are two women on there named Debbie. Stormy refers one as “black” Debbie and the other one as just Debbie. Quinn and Marko question why Stormy calls her “black” Debbie and why not call the other one “white” Debbie. Stormy replies that he calls “black” Debbie because she’s black but retorts that calling the other Debbie “white” Debbie is stupid. It was a somewhat way how white is treated as the norm and treated as acceptable while darker skin tones are mostly pointed out in the forefront and are constantly questioned.
Which of those 5 bans are you referring to? Rudeness is a gross understatement of what you were banned for.
Goddammit, it’s like that time I got banned because the admin thought my wording sounded rude. If the wording is what makes it sound racist we may as well disable the comments because somebody may misunderstand what someone wrote and get offended.
It just comes back to “I just wanted to go this way” answer. Art is something that evolves refines and grows, and also a chance to do different things. Yeah, if I decided to do humanizations, I meant do several version and play with skin tones to see what I like and what works. I could explain my reasons until I am blue in the face but if I am questioned “Why black twilight?” Over and over again from numerous folks, I may lose that myself and tell folks, “deal with it or move the hell on”.
I don’t really use the term racist, (it’s treated as a one note term these days), I have dealt with those who are bigoted, ignorant and prejudiced but racism is more of a institutional mindset that favors one race as treats as a previlege while constantly downgrades and put down other races.
I am not trying to say that black humanizations is not excluded of criticism but the wording of the comments that is expressed in the black art and barely seen in the white art (no mention of style, foundation, tones and shading, etc) tend denote (intentional/unintentional) biased undertones. Hence a jerkknee reaction to racism.
Now that didn’t made a lick of sense.
That made absolutely no damn sense.
Call an image of a random light-skinned pony ‘ugly’, race won’t even enter the comments.
Call an image of a random dark-skinned pony ‘ugly’ and you’ll be immediately branded as a racist.
Some people just want to start shit about an issue that mostly isn’t even one.
It is because being black is wrongfully seen as something to be ashamed of so when you ask “why did you draw that character black” it is assumed you are saying “I think being black is something to be ashamed of” and as a result people assume you are racist.
Same thing happens when you ask a women why she is fat or when you ask a smoker why he is smoking.
I don’t know what part of the globe you’re hanging around, but I’ve never once heard anyone claim that racism is dead. It’s not an issue on a large enough scale to label the entire pony fandom as racist either. (Just saying.)
I did a quick search of “twilight sparkle, dark skin” and I must say, the results don’t favor your statement in the slightest. I didn’t read every comment on every image, but the scores speak for themselves.
@Background Pony #6FF7
Racism is an easy-button for trolls. That pretty much explains 9/10 of everything.
If that’s the reason then why in the everloving fuck do people have to be such dicks when someone questions why did you draw a character that way? Maybe he/she’s actually curious why did you draw a character that way, what made you think that a character looked like that. Half the bloody time all they’re gonna get it’s a “You’re racist” or a “Because”. That’s gonna piss people off, which in turn will make them hate your art becuase they think you’re an asshole, and let’ be honest, if that’s gonna be your answer, you probably are one.
Yeah, okay, fine, it’s your art, your style, whatever, that’s not what I asked, I asked why did you make your character look like that.
Thank you for wording it that way.
@Deserter
BaneSw
gA lot of times, the question is not intended as a legit inquiry of artistic value, but more of a patronizing and badgering (like how paparazzi badger celebrities with inane questions). If someone question “why black”? and very rarely the question “why white”? ever comes up, it is taken in regards of racism. You could go through a majority of white humanizations and hardly that question is asked but a lot of “people of color” humanizations are questioned, not the style, tone, shading of the color or ways to improve the image, it is always “why black?”
That is the Institution of Racism, white is so accepted and set as the norm, whenever a dark skin tone is chosen and instead just accepting the choice and maybe of wording the question differently as the style, shading and tones of the color, to just “why black?” It basically is taken as something is wrong with the artist’s choice.
FYI if I was question on why I would draw and color any Mane 6 black, my answer would be:
Why not? My hands, my pencils and colors. Unless you put that money in my hands, this is my art, my style, my choice. Sometimes that might be the answer to assume with a number of artists.
Everyone has a different idea on what humanised versions of the characters would look like and just because it does not match yours, doesn’t mean it’s incorrect.
BaneSw
gThat’s what I been trying to say this whole thread. They don’t give a reason as of “why”. Shit, I’m certain most people here would be content with a simple “It’s the way I see them.”, but most of the time you either get called racist or intolerant or, quote, “you idiots are such a bunch of racists if I’ve ever seen them.” (That’s actually from the artist of a dark-skinned humanization in here, very professional, if I say so myself.)
Gee, thanks! That’s certainly a good fucking reason.
Maybe if someone eould answer the question rather than blurt out “you’re racist” or “why wouldn’t she be”. I’ve seen alot of this exact situation happening over and over again. And there wasn’t a sinhle person who gave any of the reasons you’ve pointed out here. If someone doesn’t get a good answer to their question they’re more than likely to answer again.
Well where I currently live its pretty easy to tell whether someone’s white or black.
EX: “Ah oughtta beat the hell outta you!”
Or
“NI**A I beat yo muthafuckin ass!”
Of course there are exceptions, like those from a different area or who prefer to use proper english.
However, I have lived in alot of different places and in some of them I really didn’t notice a difference between anyone’s way of talking.
It’s not really demonize the question when that question is asked on a majority of black humanized pony art every time. The best analogy is when black folks is stop and question by security or police but white folks are allow to carry on with the questioning.
Ultimate universe Spider-Man, when a black actor express interest to try out for spider-man and the press released the news (a lot of folks never even thought this spidey existed, only Peter Parker) the amount of hate mail, threats, racist response and even death threats were too much. He made some response to the hate, noting that racism is still alive and well.
Okay, dude, hold up. You’re acting like every single freaking time that someone questions why is a character black they don’t pull any punches and go stereotipical Nazi-grandpa on the artist’s ass. I’m fairly certain somebody in this website may do that, but not everyone.
It’s hard to sympathise with what you’re trying to do if you’re just gonna demonize everybody that doesn’t share your opinion.
The fact that you just said “african american” tells me that you are just afraid of being called racist. I’ve only ever met one “african-american” in my life and that was a guy from south africa who was in the air force and had gotten citizenship (he actually has a great story).
Every other black person I’ve ever met has been either American or English.
Personally, I see Rarity being the lightest, followed by Fluttershy and Pinkie, then Applejack, then Rainbow, and Twilight as the darkest. It’s not too specific, but it’s sorted.
I think I can understand your reasoning. Rarity and Fluttershy do have the palest-looking coats of the six, and the others look pretty good with those appearances. I kind of see Pinkie as one of those people/ponies/whatever with the power to eat a lot and never get fat, though.
BaneSw
gI don’t really associate voices with skin tones, myself.
@Deserter
In that case, I’m interested in finding out what does work and where.
I could understand that aspect however some that are really well designed and have shown respect to the character sometime still get ignorant ass statements “why she a N****?” There is always someone ready to start shit.
They’re making a black Spiderman?
Cool, I guess? I don’t even like Spiderman that much, what the fuck do you wan’t me to say?