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I love this ship, but I know for the fact it’s not canon. No ship is canon really.
@Background Pony #B0BA
People who treat bg ponies more important than actual supporting characters annoy me. This is why the whole McD’s Vinyl replaces AJ bugged the hell out of me. AJ’s not my fav, but I’ll defend her over Vinyl any day. Same with Soarin’.
Hey, Soarin wad given a lot more characterization compared to Vinyl, Lyra, or Time Turner in the actual canon. I think these ship supporters have a right to pair him up with a main character like RD if they see potential for this couple IN THE ACTUAL SHOW.
I like how you have to write so much. All ships are fads.
I never cared for Caramel, I’m just defending Soarin’ here. The other guy was giving an example of a ship.
(facepalm) Again, why do I need to repeat myself? Soarin’ and Caramel were given barely any definitive characterization in canon OR the fandom, unlike BP’s who were either 1) given almost no characterization in the show but heavy characterization within the fandom and how they would relate to other BP’s in the same situation(ex. Octavia, Vinyl, Dr. Whooves, Derpy, Lyra) ..or 2) BP’s who were given a ton more in-canon characterization then less then a minute, and then paired with another significant BP or even main character.
Its not ‘hypocritical’ or ‘hating shipping’ IN THE LEAST to find it odd thousands of fans flocking to a ship of a main character with a BP with so little characterization from either the show or the fandom. With characters like Octavia or Vinyl, why would you even need to fill in the blanks? Most of their fanon personality is firmly established. Saying ‘regardless of popularity’ means nothing. I don’t know if its whether their popularity or the fact they were given a tiny peak at their personality like Soarin, but their popularity and videos have already created a characterization of its own within the fandom.
You’re acting extremely defensive despite the fact I am telling you my stance has no ill will whatsoever. I’m sorry if it seems I’m bashing your favorite ship, I’m not, I’m just telling you the absurdity of certain ‘fad ships.’
And I’m sorry, I simply have no idea what you mean by ‘plenty of characterization.’ Those are only a tiny bit of vague facts and traits about him. In personality, that’s not even enough to fill a third of a paragraph. Hell, there wasn’t even much clarity whether he was silly or just dim in S1E26, and that’s the only personality trait you listed. Can you please tell me the character traits about Caramel? See what I mean? Its just…limited. That’s all. Hardly proportional to the amount of fan art behind it.
You’re saying “fill in the blanks” yet most BG pony shipping are “fill the blanks” regardless of how popular they are. Unless of course you’re against shipping in general, that’s pretty hypocritical.
He has had plenty of characterization beyond pie. I’ve seen:
“He’s the co-captain of the Wonderbolts.” (his “original” cutie mark helped that, though now it’s different, he still is the poster child due to being on the posters all the time)
“He’s silly, but takes his job seriously when he needs to.” (again, nothing about that changed…)
“He was right under Spitfire in terms of best Wonderbolt.” (he is right under Spitfire as she is actually 2nd fastest Wonderbolt with Fleetfoot being the fastest.)
I hate that a lot of people will assume ‘oh you hate Soarin x Dash because its straight’ or ‘oh you hate BigMac x Caramel because its gay.’ or ‘you hate it because its not a lesbian ships.’
Such ignorant commentary is just overly defensive and dumb. Of course they’ll be a few people like that, but one should never generalize.
I’ll repeat my initial statement: “I simply like pairings with good chemistry: straight, lesbian or gay.’ I stand by that. Furthermore, I am free to express my confusion at relatively enormous ships emerging like Big Mac x Caramel and RD x Pre-S4 Soarin when so little characterization is provided.
Again, your missing the point. Soarin DOES get a lot of fan love, but no real characterization within the fandom or ship. Sure, shippers will ship, there’s no denying that, but both characters should have some characterization. Again, it all boils down to ‘they look good together, the idea sounds good, I’ll fill in the blanks where chemistry and personality for one of them is needed.’ Its just a few steps away from pairing your OC to a main character.
I won’t condemn it, it will exist and it should exist statistically, but look at it from others perspective. Just find the idea that thousands will flock to ship a main character with a character that was given less then a minute of characterization until later mid S4? How will people relate?
@Background Pony #699B
It doesn’t matter if your headcanon didn’t change or did. Heck mine didn’t either, maybe were both that genre savvy. That doesn’t change that originally there was nothing much there to see, just a few generic lines about pie.
Again, now that Soarin is given a little solid characterization in S4, there is less suspension of disbelief problems, the kind people feel when looking at a main character paired with an OC.
No real chemistry in sight, again everything RD said would of been no different if Dash was a straight guy, but that’s only my PERSONAL reasons I don’t see anything in this ship. RD x S4 Soarin. My preference on this ship, that’s all. I established that at the beginning. Not trying to offend anybody here.
I just find ships like BigMac x Caramel and RD x pre-S4Soarin to be ridiculous for the ‘fill in the blank’ issues for shipping them. Shippers will ship, its fanon law, but on such a large scale with so little characterization…you have to admit its a little odd.
Guess I’m part of the 10% who saw Soarin’s personality then. S4 Soarin’ did not change my head canon for him.
Wait? So because Soarin doesn’t get fan love means we shouldn’t ship him with who we want? That’s really stupid. Again, you can’t stop shippers from being shippers. This ship, or any other ship, doesn’t need a reason to exist. It simply exists to exist. No one needs the whole fandom’s “approval.” You really need an example for why this little couple should exist? Simple, they danced together at the gala, and shared a photo together. That’s the only reason you’ll ever need when there are those that ship Tavi and Vinyl for simply liking music and not even knowing eachother, let alone living in the same village.
Not by the end of the episode. Her relationship towards the members of the Wonderbolts THEMSELVES obviously changed.
@Background Pony #B0BA
Vinyl and Octavia are both canon characters with almost complete fanon characterization, characters that have taken a life of their own within the fandom. That’s okay, neither of them have solid canon characterization.
Soarin never had that ‘life of his own’ within the fandom, not anything definitive, and neither did Caramel.
What’s Vinyl and Octavia’s personality? Nearly 90% of the fandom could answer that and give a similar answer. What’s Caramel or pre-S4 Soarin’s personality? You’d be lucky if 10% of the fandom could give a similar answer.
Caramel being shipped with Big Mac, happened not only because it was the few gay male pairings people could come up with at the time, it appeared because it was a S1 relic, long before Caramel’s relationship with Sassaflash was confirmed.
Turnaround is fairgame, so I’ll state this…You argue that this ship should exist, yet you’ve given no valid examples of reasons why.
Big Mac and Caramel was done only because it was a default gay ship for Big Mac. Rainbow Dash and Soarin’ was done because it was default STRAIGHT ship for Rainbow Dash. Almost no other solid reasons.
Also, I thought both me, and the episode, made it excruciatingly clear that Dash did not see THEM as heroes by end of Rainbow Falls. Don’t believe me? Here’s an exact quote:
Rainbow Dash: “You may be a winning team, but you’re still not the kind of team I want to be a part of.”
When I stated ‘anymore’, that means at the end of the episode.
This.
Isn’t that how shipping works most of the time? Say Vinyl and Octavia, they don’t even know eachother, but are shipped anyways. Caramel was clearly seen in a relationship with Sassaflash, but is shipped with Big Mac for some reason. Its not something you can stop. You argue as if this ship shouldn’t exist, period. It’ll keep going, regardless of what happens. Even the unrealistic lez ships will live on because fans simply like it. Also, she still considers them as heroes after Rainbow Falls, she still wants to be a Wonderbolt.
This
but she doesn’t see the members as her heroes or anything special.
Despite the fact she constantly said “they’re my personal heroes” throughout the episode?
It did. It wasn’t like there was a huge influx of SoarinDash fanart after that episode either, there was an enormous amount before that. No ryhme or reason, people just thought ‘hook RD up with the male wonderbolt, she needs to be straight, forget he doesn’t have a personality yet besides ‘PIE’’
@Background Pony #B0BA
So did Spike and Sweetie Belle, and I don’t see them hitting it off. And when we waited for the writers to establish if they had any chemistry at the wedding…nope, when they talked to each other at Rainbow Falls, they were just pals and nothing more.
“I personally like this ship because its kinda cute having Dash fall for one of her heroes.”
Well, thanks to Rainbow Falls, that idea is dead in the water. She sees the actual members as equals now, Soarin just informal pals and Spitfire and Fleetfoot people she wants to surpass because they went ‘lightning dust’ on her and was equal to them. Being a wonderbolt is still her dream, but she doesn’t see the members as her heroes or anything special.
I think it still started way before that.
Didn’t they dance together and had a photo taken together at the gala once? That’s where this couple probably started. Of course Dash has good chemistry eith the 5, they’re her friends, duh! Anyways, I personally like this ship because its kinda cute having Dash fall for one of her heroes.
I simply like pairings with good chemistry, straight, lesbian or gay.
(shrug) The first time they had a real exchange of dialogue was in S4, and even in that one Dash and Soarin were mostly just pal-ing it up over their similar grievences with ‘Team Lightning Dust.’ If Dash was a straight guy, their dialogue would of been no different whatsoever.
It isn’t that RD is LARGELY paired up with every female in the show, she’s not paired up with Celestia, Luna, Trixie or Zecora much…
…it just so happens that RD just happens to have good chemistry between all the other 5 girls.
Of course RD’s alpha personality does play a factor in the likability of gay pairings with her, but a lot of fans simply don’t see anything between these two.
Or maybe they hate it because they feel this pairing is overrated. Whatever other ship they prefer that involves one of the two doesn’t have to be lesbian.
Let’s not start anything please. Nobody is better than anybody just because they have different opinions. Just enjoy the image.
Nope try again.
Its not lesbian so people hate it.
Not everybody have the same tastes, strange right?