@Draco_2k  
As soon as death threads get thrown in he mix, it all goes out the window. They can put you in the dock in extreme cases.
 
Mind you, I am refering to German laws here.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat

@Urishima  
Ah, I’m not actually familiar with that trope - wait, what the hell, how come I’m not? - I was talking about the comic panel there. I mean, it looks pretty damn mutual to me. Then again, there’s room for ambiguity, especially if you don’t know that Molly and Luna are perfectly happy together in the comic.
 
Of course, even if it was all about rape jokes or killing babies or I don’t know, that still wouldn’t be an excuse to censor it anymore than there’s an excuse to pull majority of Hollywood films off the screens. It’s just dark subject matter. You know, adult things. Just because it’s something artists discuss in their work doesn’t mean they endorse the worst of it. Some people can’t figure that out, apparently.

@rogerSnow  
What? There’s a difference between being rude and stabbing someone with a knife? Now that’s just slippery-slope thinking, there!
 
Seriously though, sex and sexual things are something intimately personal by the core of their nature. You have to know someone really, really damn well to know for certain how they’ll react to one thing or another. An intimate gesture can easily be as clean and fun here as dirty and wrong there.
 
Hey, didn’t we have an episode about pranking people?.. I never imagined I’d be making the comparison, but same principle applies. Sort of.

@Draco_2k  
I still view that trope as problematic. Hate it, can’t enjoy doujins that feature it these days.
 
But that BP acts as if this was JJs intention. If you look at it in the context of the rest of the comics then it is clear that it wasn’t. It was a tad thoughtless, but that’s it. You said it yourself that JJ was VERY carefull in that regard.
 
In the end, it doesn’t matter. He and DWM have no right to push their believs on others. They have the right to openly criticise it and that is it. The harassment that has been going on is actually punishable by law in many countries.

I will say, without going to far into because I really don’t feel like getting invested into another argument today, that there is a middle ground between “yes! I want this to happen!” And “oh god I’ve been traumatically violated!”
 
Like I and plenty of people have been pantsed by their friends before and known girls in hs and college with female friends would come up behind them and lift their shirts up, etc. people screw around like that. There are contexts and such. To put it in simple absolutes and label everything else rape culture, tempting as I’m sure it is for people fighting sexual assault to do, doesn’t really help and isn’t honest.

@Urishima  
Not even, as per previous comment.
 
Looking back through my archives, JJ and the writer(s) have been very careful to avoid anything that’d even look like it crosses the line. Just driving right on the edge there a few times.
 
(I’m currently looking at the panel where Molestia herself is being “Oh no!”’d by her most frequent “victim.”)

@Background Pony #5034  
I did say that. I did not say what you said in your last comment. That’s fucking horrible. You’re a bad person for doing that.
 
>Luna says “Huh!? No! Wait sis!” but you still count it as consent.  
>“No wait”… “Wait”… As in, “Not now”…  
Nevermind depicting her as clearly and obviously enjoying the experience and being just as friendly with Molly as ever. What the hell, man. I’ve heard religious apologists that wouldn’t try to stretch things that far.
 
>that guard didn’t want to touch Molestia’s rump  
Seeing things that aren’t there again.
 
>you keep saying “It’s ambiguous”, yet you seem to think your interpretation [is right]
 
It is ambiguous.
 
You’re seeing what you want to see.
 
It’s the context that makes it clear what’s going on. Which is why, you know, you ought to read the comic instead of plugging out random pages and assuming the worst (which, as I said, is all the DWM hate is based on).
 
You want to see rape, well have fun with that. But it says more about you than it does about the comic.
 
If you actually care to read it, even if you start with the assumption that anything sexual that’s in there is some form of rape or harassment, it will quickly fall apart. Because, guess what? It’s all just a joke.

@Background Pony #5034  
The one with Luna may be the ONLY one where you have a point. However, I will point out that this is a very common hentai trope. A shitty one, but common, Hate it personally, but it merely shows that the comic was not thought-through. Not JJ’s intention.
 
The other one was merely the other guards teasing the newbie and trying to get him in trouble. They were simply daring him to do it, the sexual context was secondary to it and only there from molli’s point of view.

@Draco_2k  
Well, you said earlier:  
““I can tell you what it doesn’t depict though: anyone ever declining Molly’s advances, anyone saying ‘Don’t’, anyone crying, anyone complaining, anyone being afraid, or anyone feeling bad at all.[](#comment_52daefea6368720abf160200)
 
>>21245 Luna says “Huh!? No! Wait sis!” but you still count it as consent.  
>>167830 In a previous strip, that guard didn’t want to touch Molestia’s rump, yet you interpret his expressions in this strip as being flustered with sexual excitement, not as continued reluctance.
 
So yes, I am having trouble pinning down your standards for this.
 
And you keep saying “It’s ambiguous”, yet you seem to think your interpretation of everyone being always ready and willing for Molestia, even if they mention being monogamous, is the only correct one.

@Draco_2k  
I notice you didn’t address “I only let Lyra touch me there!” And as for the rest, you think anything short of screaming and crying indicates consent, so there’s no use in pointing out where ponies have obviously looked reluctant or unhappy or even said “no”.

@Draco_2k  
Consider it your free booster shot for Internet. :D

@Draco_2k  
Wow. He made D&D seem pretty fuckin’ metal.

@redness  
SON OF A BITCH  
FUCK  
FUCKITY FUCKNESS
 
It’ll take me like ten more minutes to repress the memory that this exists. Thanks a lot.

@Background Pony #5034  
Pssst. I was implying it was the same guard.
 
>Three of the ponies don’t look happy about being molested  
They look flustered. Have you never seen a flustered person? Being flustered is a perfectly reasonable reaction to sexual advances, especially if you’re having fun with it. Speaking of…
 
>But I guess you still consider that consent  
As said very bluntly earlier, the problem here is that you’re projecting the idea that this is an unwanted interaction onto a picture that doesn’t say it that it is. You can’t say it does or doesn’t depict anything when it’s all down to what you imagine (although the context, if you actually read the comic and not look at out-of-context panels, makes it very clear).
 
Take any piece of porn or suggestive material and it’ll look the same if that’s how your mind is set on looking at it.
 
I can tell you what it doesn’t depict though: anyone ever declining Molly’s advances, anyone saying “Don’t”, anyone crying, anyone complaining, anyone being afraid, or anyone feeling bad at all.
 
A bit odd coming from a blog named “Molestia”, sure. But maybe, you know, maybe that’s the fucking joke.

@Hakar  
@Draco_2k
 
Ah, the infamous Jack Chick tract Dark Dungeon

@Draco_2k  
OK, so apparently you didn’t even bother checking the images I linked to, if you didn’t know what I was referring to. It’s this one: >>167830
 
And from this strip: >>162335 Three of the ponies don’t look happy about being molested, and Bon Bon’s thought is “I only let Lyra touch me there!” But I guess you still consider that consent…

@Background Pony #5034  
Haha, no.
 
Come on, do we have to walk through this? The key words were “Against their will.” Does anyone there do anything they don’t want? Is anyone not flustered with excitement? Is anyone not having fun?
 
Though these (well, some of these) do illustrate how things can be viewed through a lens of prejudice. Take any BDSM play out of context and it’ll look like something worthy of a life sentence. I thought we’d realized by now that is just how some people get off - Hell, nipping someone’s plot is much tamer in comparison - and that not every foreplay or human interaction starts with “I consent to that, please proceed.”
 
>ordering a guard to lick under her tail  
This one?
 
>>421711

@Draco_2k  
So sticking her muzzle between someone’s butt cheeks, magically groping members of a crowd as she walks by, and ordering a guard to lick under her tail doesn’t count as forcing someone to do something remotely sexual against their will?

@Urishima  
“It doesn’t belong to you or any website.”  
Amen.
 
The beauty of free speech is that people who are happy to be jerks are free to congregate in their own cesspool, and anyone else is free to go anywhere else.
 
@Background Pony #5034  
A)Well, then it’s as good time as any to learn not to stereotype and to recognize your personal bias. Because judging all people by “what you’re reading” is simply personal prejudice. This also a more basic form of prejudice, which is attributing sins of a few to the entire group as if it were a living organism and not just an arbitrary grouping of different people.
 
For this same reason, you should never ask the “rest” of some arbitrary group to apologize for something they weren’t responsible to begin with.
 
B)Are you fucking serious.

@Draco_2k  
A) I’m going by what I’m reading, and what I’ve been reading is pro-Molestia bronies applauding the (supposed) infection of Pinkiepony’s computer and cheering on the idea of getting the real names of PP’s supporters.
 
B) >>162469 >>162335 >>21245 >>273176 >>162480 >>167876 >>167830
 
@rogerSnow  
I’m glad you do oppose doxxing, and I apologize for assuming otherwise, but when I’ve seen it brought up before, I’ve seen more on the pro-Molestia side support it than oppose it. If it’s a minority that approves of such tactics, I really wish I’d see the majority speak up more often.
 
And name-calling is not damaging, but it is still childish.
 
@rogerSnow  
This, actually, I do mostly agree with. While I don’t think name-calling is a big deal, I still think it’s best to avoid it. It’s not like it helps in any way, after all.

@VisitorMK3  
Eh, I mean, we’re probably not of like minds totally on this because I do like the idea of people generally being more considerate and willing to give people a chance than is usual in our culture. I do see value in not being a douche, even if I don’t typically live up to that value. But it’s just weird that we think we need to be tolerant of and listen to some really fucked up ideologies and opinions, but calling someone a name? Oh boy, you really crossed the line throwing that empty insult at them!
 
I don’t see the idea of “love and tolerate” as being “bs” (and yes, I’m aware that it started as a joke, but so what? It fits.), but I also don’t think that means let assholes get away with being assholes.
 
The difference between the 4chan position and the “love and tolerate” position has to do with how you think you should respond to people being jerks. The 4chan position is just to act like a jerk pretty much all of the time. Sort of an if you can’t beat ’em, join ‘em kinda position. Love and tolerate, the healthy, rational version anyways, has more to do with being avoiding sinking to their level as much as possible while still getting your hands dirty when necessary. The silly super-saccharine, bandwagon hopping version of “love and tolerate” is “just be nice to everyone ever always and it’ll magically work out”.

@VisitorMK3  
The fandom never got ‘invaded’ or any bullshit like that and neither is it ‘dying’ or being ‘run in the ground’. It doesn’t belong to you or any website.
 
And while I absolutely despise Pinkey and DWM, I find /mlp/ and the shit that gets thrown around there absolutely revolting. Because it IS “sexist” and “misogynistic”. And those are the nicest things I have to say about that place.
 
Now pull your head out of your own arse.

@Hakar  
Shit. I remember hearing about it now.
 
I’m, uh, I’m gonna go be angry somewhere else for a while.