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But there’s nothing wrong with the fandom, of course…
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When it comes to offense, Just Say No.
You might be right.
Plus, it’s not like MLP:FiM is the only cartoon that does that. Cartoons have made references to pop-culture, or had in-jokes, and stuff sense they were first made.
(Looney Tunes was especially full of ’em, most of which aimed at grown-ups at the time.)
Me either. Heaven forbid they make the show interesting to the parents that have to watch it with their children, right?
I think too many people walk around in life deliberately trying to be offended by every little thing so they can feel self-righteous about “defying” the perceived “oppression”.
Yeah, I don’t really understand those, “I hate bronies/MLP-fans, yet I’m a MLP-fan myself!” type of fans honestly… Nor do I get the “I hate pop-culture references/memes being in MLP, yet love Derpy Hooves, and the ‘Big Labowski’ ponies!” folks, and such.
I’m just going off what I heard.
It sounds like the crowd that hates on bronies endlessly, yet still considers themselves fans of the show as long as it doesn’t make any references or whatever.
Dude, I saw a waffle commercial with a kid dancing, and quoting M.C. Hammer. Seriously what kid this decade would know who that is?… Unless his parents are from the ’80s, which many parents are nowadays. (Something people forget.)
Chances are they still have some of their ’80s memoribilia, (music, movies, cartoons, video games, ect.) so kids are bound to have some knowledge of the ’80s via their parents who loved that decade.
One thing that can stay in the ’80s though, is the “Flock of Seagulls haircut.”
No, I am not kidding. We just got trolled by some butthurt pantywaists.
Regarding my Twitter comment, I meant that I wondered how a fan could get so bent out of shape about a reference, rather.
Ugh. Awful grammar. Time for bed.
Hope that still makes sense. :)
I think what one says matters just as much as how one says it. Constructive criticism will go much farther than destructive criticism. “Blah, these references suck ad they’re ruining the comic” is useless and rude.
Constructive criticism states what a particular work does well (and why), what it doesn’t do well (and why), and how it might be improved. Explaining one’s reasoning helps a lot. In life and everything, it’s far better to assume that the intended party won’t “know” one’s reasoning.
Like, I don’t have a problem with references. The show had them in Season 1, but they were worked into the whole plot. The “Diamond Dog” thing was an extended joke on a David Bowie song. I loved that the Dogs were even hiding behind trees. See, that reference is clever!
A reference that seems clumsy, distracting, or attempts to carry the story in lieu of good writing is poor reference.
I think too many folks don’t know how to write useful, constructive criticism.
…my comment here on Twitter was more incredulous believe that someone could be so upset about a pretty mild reference. I’m not sure it’s really worth getting all bent out of shape for. So, yeah.
My $0.02.
The people complaining about the overuse and abundance of pop culture references in the comics have a legitimate gripe sometimes. There’s a ton of them, especially when it’s Cook and Price working together. If you need to rely on that to help tell your story, it does show a sign of poor/lazy writing, and dismissing them simply as “haters” is pretty fucking immature.
I expected better from these guys. They’re supposedly professionals, and SHOULD be above having to call out said “haters” if that’s all they call them and reference them as.
On the other hand, I personally don’t have a problem with said pop culture references, and I know that they’re specifically calling out the side of the fanbase that is centered mainly around 4chan’s /mlp/ board, which, let’s face it, really are too hard on the show and comic creators often at times.
But it’s not without some benefit. IIRC, DHX animators go to the board for the hard criticism they need sometimes (according to an anon who went to the LA debut of EQG and talked with a few of them that were there), and are at least somewhat grateful for that.
So not everything is a total loss in this regard.
Unfortunately, while the members of the fan base are greatly varied, it is the most vocally immature that overpower the media’s perception of the fan base, and sadly - there are quite a lot of them. Granted, this is an extremely large fan base, but that hasn’t stopped fans of MLP from becoming stigmatized and marginalized in the public eye. Even when one supposed “crisis” ends, another begins anew. The moment when you think that people are beginning to learn and understand how the world works, another trial appears over the horizon to test the world’s patience.
It isn’t “generalizing” when legitimate proof of childish behavior by members of this fan base are in a wealthy abundance, even right here on Derpibooru.
Perhaps it is yourself that is hastily jumping to conclusions without understanding the nature of the discussion at hand.
Universally defending the fandom is just as silly as universally condemning it. You should really stop generalising a group of more than 100,000 people and speaking as if they were a single homogeneous entity. If you talk about a large group of people in general terms, you shouldn’t be surprised when someone from that group takes issue with your statements.
Wow, douchebag. Wow. This kind of response towards someone that actively defends this fan base is exactly what the fuck I’m talking about.
You can take your sorry ass right out the nearest door with that bullshit attitude.
Feel free to leave at any time. Nobody is forcing you to stay here with all us horrible people.
Yeah, I can be a shitty-person to sometimes. :P
Indeed, humans are equally shitty in comparison to each other.
It’s just that some people make their shittiness more blatant than others.
I don’t feel superior to anyone, I just think people can voice their opinions in better ways then attacking the writers all the time.
I was referring to the general attitude of “wow, the fandom is awful, but I’m a nice person”.
It’s a very common thought pattern among members of almost any community, and it’s a surprisingly effective way to get people to agree with you. Any kind of generic condemnation of a large group is both relatable (everyone’s encountered someone from that group they didn’t like) and quickly garners support because people don’t want to be seen as part of the problem. The moment you say something like that, people are forced to choose between agreeing with you (and feeling superior) or disagreeing (and siding with the “bad guys”). The reason it’s fallacious is because a group as large as the MLP fandom is incredibly diverse. You’re generalising from personal experiences with a small number of people and using it to feel superior to almost everyone.
The best example is probably reddit. Go on any large subreddit, find a single stupid comment, and post a comment criticising the entirety of reddit. Your comment will always get upvoted, even by the people you are criticising.
I don’t generally feel superior to others, but if you’re talking about “fans” who flame the comic staff over a music reference, I’ll make an exception.