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@Ferrotter  
That’s a terrific bit of reasoning, and a logical explanation for that particular spell. I don’t know that I’ll adopt it as my headcanon wholesale, but I’ll definitely mull it over.
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One: Twilight is not Celestia’s “meat puppet.” Even from the beginning, Faust herself said that Celestia didn’t control things. She simply had fine intuition of what things needed to happen. Celestia didn’t know why she gave Twilight Spike’s egg for a test (direct Word of Faust there), for example. She just had a feeling that it was the right thing to do. There is zero canonical evidence in the show that Celestia gave Star Swirl’s unfinished spell to Twilight with any direct intent to turn her into an alicorn princess. More likely she just felt it was something that should be done, and that destiny would work itself out the way it should.
 
Two: The “Change Destiny” spell DID NOT change Twilight’s destiny and cause her to become an alicorn princess. It changed the world’s destiny. Look at the first time she cast it, as the imperfect spell: Twilight herself was completely unaffected by it! The effect of the spell was on others who were (by proxy, via the Elements) in her presence. What was it supposed to do? Well, we can assume Star Swirl is not an old name for Discord; Star Swirl was a wise and respected unicorn of old. The intended purpose of the spell could not have been “to fuck up the targets’ destinies and ruin their lives.” Star Swirl didn’t get it to work right, but clearly, that’s not what he was going for. There was a beneficial purpose. I think arguably the idea may have been to rescue a pony cursed with a terrible life, but it really doesn’t matter what it was.
 
Which brings me to Three: An undefined mystery is a very acceptable narrative device. It is used by Hugo Award-winning authors, in their Hugo Award-winning works. The purpose of the spell, IN THE SHOW, was to provide a way for Twilight to become an alicorn. But the purpose of the spell, IN-WORLD, was not. And it does not matter what the purpose of the spell was, in-world. It is no more important than the 24 spells Twilight cast before giving Spike a moustache. I do understand that, Mungoman. You’re the one who doesn’t. Because, to reiterate, the in-world function of the spell is not “Create Alicorn.” It is “Change Destiny” (whatever the hell that is.)
 
The only characteristic of the Change Destiny spell that matters is that Star Swirl couldn’t make it work. And perhaps as importantly, neither could Celestia (not with more than a thousand years to work on it)! Nor could Luna, nor could Celestia and Luna together! When Twilight told Apple Bloom that magic couldn’t affect a cutie mark, she was telling the truth. AT THAT TIME, no magic that ever existed could affect a true cutie mark. Twilight could put temporary marks on Apple Bloom’s flank, but they lasted seconds and had no meaning. Cutie Pox could give Apple Bloom fake cutie marks that gave her talents, but no destiny; her destiny, despite all those cutie marks, was to die from them if she couldn’t be cured of them. And even the broken spell could only give her friends a disjointed (and ultimately temporary) change of destiny; they did not inherit the talents of their cutie marks. (And even that mess was arguably only because of its interaction with the Elements of Harmony. By itself there’s no backstory in the series at all that the broken spell could actually do anything. Celestia certainly didn’t see it necessary to warn Twilight not to use it around her friends or the Elements because it could be destructive. That strongly suggests she had no idea the broken spell could do anything at all.) But even Star Swirl’s time travel spell couldn’t change the future; if anything, it only caused the destiny that was already ahead. And that’s what’s important: no unicorn, nor even alicorn, before Twilight ever possessed magic that could beneficially affect a cutie mark or a destiny. Twilight invented that entire branch of magic. She did not cast a “Turn Me Into An Alicorn” spell; she cast an unprecedented spell that changed the world.
 
In other words, she did not cast herself into an alicorn WITH the Change Destiny spell. She cast the Change Destiny spell, and it did whatever it did. But in being able to cast it, for the first time ever, she herself unlocked, in herself, the potential, and destiny, she herself always had. It does not matter what the Change Destiny spell actually does. All that matters is that she was the first ever to be able to cast anything like it. It’s her magic Ph.D. thesis. She proved that she could do something even Celestia never had the power to do, something that Celestia could not have merely taught her. She became of that same level as Celestia. Not FROM the spell, but because she figured out how to cast it.
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@The_Mungoman  
ah. I was just cooking up a scenario that would still have the same canon bits since they wanted her to show off a ‘new magic’ thing. You’d think creating a stable time loop would be enough to graduate to alicornhood if that was the barrier of entry.
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@Niggoslav_Krawczyk  
Well, I’m still sceptical about the whole “learning-new-magic”-thing, but that’s just me.
 
If I had to, for some reason, write something about Twilight becoming an Alicorn, I would do it from an even more different approach, something more impact- and meaningful than “Yeah, this spell-thingy is new magic. It doesn’t look much different from all other magic we’ve seen before, but it’s toooootally new.”
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@The_Mungoman  
Because she figured out a new magic? Basically same plot but now a less insane way to get to the ’learned new magic, leveled up, actually showed she knows wtf she is doing instead of the mass Kubo-esqu asspull we got
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@Splinter17  
Seriously, we should ALL know the difference between complaining and whining.
 
At this point, saying someone is whining is the same as calling them a troll; you have no argument against them.
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@Niggoslav_Krawczyk  
…Hm.  
How does blasting stone away give you wings? Seems like kind of a leap to me.  
I like the story before way more that MMC, but my main problem is that there just isn’t an explanation what force or entity gave Twilight her wings.  
Many people say it was that spell Starswirl wrote, but the episode neve explicitally tells us so. All we can do is assume.
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Actually, just thought of a way we could have both. A villain that also knows the stoning spell would take on Celestia, and during their battle Celestia tries it on him, only for him to reflect it, and Luna has been away so long she doesn’t really recall the intricacies of more ‘ancient’ magic. It’s down to Twilight, and she has a teary apologetic moment with her teacher’s statue post-villain-dispatch, charges up her magic, everyone looks all hopeful…and she fails. But then Applejack or Rarity slap her and go all “You are her best student and the most studiously wizardly type pony we’ve ever seen, now lets get to cracking on those books!” with a pep talk scene. Then we see a ‘study montage’ about two minutes or so, made slightly overlong to drive home this is taking a really long time and we see Luna raising and lowering the sun over at least a week. Then the second try, she’s concentrating so hard it looks like Twilight’s gonna crap herself DBZ style. and then POW, sudden magical burst, blasts away the stone, everyone runs past an exhausted Twilight, hug Sunbutt, then notice Sunbutt is gaping at Twilight. Everypony turns around and she’s all “No gaiz I’m okay, really, I just used a bit too much!” “No way Twilight, that’s not what we’re staring at. Look behind you!” POMF wings! Now we have a tradtional finale PLUS a lesson about studying and applying oneself to education! snap and there you have it.
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@Putinforgod  
Nah, it totally should have been an actual test. MMC had the right idea, but it seems like too many people were sticking their own ideas into the blender and shaking it up then pouring out the result. Twilight’s whole thing is studying, so ascending from an actually challenging test would have been best. It’s the fact they made it so easy and made her just randomly jump to the solution without any introspection and sleepless nights poring over books that makes it feel more like a clusterfuck. Also the writers not being able to make up their minds about what a ‘destiny’ is compared to a job.
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@Splinter17  
It’s productive if you’re an artist and need inspiration.
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@Fanloser  
Please, you think this thread is full of whining? Compared to /mlp/, Ponychan, and Reddit, this thread is a stuffy formal debate. We’re complaining, not whining. Big difference.  
True, it’s not pointless, but it’s not productive or “getting a life” as you call it, unless you’re somehow being paid to browse Derpibooru. Not that there’s anything wrong with looking up cool art or porn or whatever.
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@Splinter17  
Only if it actually amounts to something other than whining, Sure. But that isn’t happening, now is it?  
Finding new and amazing artist isn’t pointless.
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@Fanloser  
Now why should we have to leave? Can’t we stay and discuss previous episodes and seasons we liked, or read the comics, or look at fanart? Maybe you should leave this thread, since you have nothing to add and you’re just complaining about complaining. Not a healthy habit.  
Also:  
>“get a life”  
You’re on Derpibooru. Nothing you do here is productive.
 
@NoHooves  
Nope. If I’m not satisfied about an episode of a show I’m watching, I’ll complain about and criticize it. It’s cathartic. You’re free to ignore this complaint thread. Come on, just filter “alicorn drama,” it’s not that hard.
Background Pony #2E77
@NoHooves  
If the show reaches a point where it’s still fun for kids but no longer fun for me, I reserve the right to gripe once that it’s been dumbed down too much and then stop watching it.
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@NoHooves  
I, actually agree. To an extent.
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@Mayojar77
 
Actually you’re all pretty stupid
 
It’s a kids cartoon, the only reason we should complain is if it gets bad for kids
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@Fanloser  
Go home, Fanloser, you’re stupid.
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Can the season 3 whiners and show quitters just leave, and do something useful with their lives, instead of trying to stroke off their superiority complex boners.
Background Pony #2E77
@bboifatz  
A “Season 3 sux” tag would only help if it also blocked comments.
 
And that still doesn’t answer my primary question: Why continue discussing a show you now hate and don’t expect to ever like again? I can’t imagine the appeal of, for example, going to a Simpsons forum and talking about all the ways the latest episodes are irredeemable garbage and how the show will never go back to the glory days of the first 6 seasons.
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@Background Pony  
A nice fantasy indeed. I hope the comics keep going strong and that they avoid the mistakes that the show’s crew have been making.
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@bboifatz  
I have a recurring fantasy of Lauren Faust getting on the comics team. Less meddling and it’s closer to her original vision. The show isn’t going so well anyway, but I think the comics will (hopefully) be kept around a while
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@Background Pony  
I think you may be on to something, sadly. From what I gather, fantasy isn’t Meghan’s forte, but she has worked on school shows before. EQG probably seems like a more comfortable fit if it’s a genre they’re familiar with. You don’t exactly have to come up with a complex mythology for where the school came from, either, and as I have mentioned in another thread (after someone else mentioned it to me), worldbuilding is not Meghan’s strong suite, hence the inconsistent use of magic and the Crystal Empire basically just being a shiny town with no real function.
 
@Background Pony  
We could make a “Season 3 sucks” tag if it makes you feel better.
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@Background Pony  
Sounds good. You’d best get a jump on that.
Background Pony #2E77
@Background Pony  
Why is it that all these people who have given up on the show because of season 3 are still posting on images that are about the show in season 3?
 
Could we maybe have a forum thread, “Season 3 sux!” or some such, where y’all can talk, and leave the rest of the images about the show to people who are actually still interested in watching the show? Would that be good enough?
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@bboifatz  
Yeah it kinda does. And these are the same people who wrote NEARLY EVERY EPISODE BEFOREHAND.  
One other thing.  
As they were working on S3, they were also working on Equestria Girls. And they seem pretty psyched about the latter.  
I think the writers would rather work on Equestria Girls. Why? Because they’re not good at writing fantasy. At least FiM will live on in the comics, which I’m taking as the only canon from now on.