But that’s not true. The remnants of G4 Equestria are why the entire story in the G5 movie happen. Sunny dreams of the Mane 6 and their influence on the G4, which sends her on an adventure to prove that G4 wasn’t a myth. She only tries to grab the magic gem McGuffins because she sees them reflected in a stained glass window presumably from G4 Equestria. The gems themselves are likely a remnant of something G4 Equestria setup.

It’s true that the writers restarted a lot of the world building to get from G4 to G5, but until we know the fully story, it’s a huge leap to say they just threw away everything Twilight and company did. For all we know, Twilight is going to show up in one of the later episodes and reveal some grand plan that was only possible through her royal position in G4.

We are in a timeline where Twilight and her friend’s legacy is just an ancient history. Ponies completely forgot about friendship and considered them enemies due to some sort of war or whatever happened in the past. Sunny was the only one who though she could restore friendship and peace while everyone else was at a cold war, even herself had doubts. Sunny literally just given the opportunity to hang out with a couple of the “hostile” ponies, in a situation like that it would make sense that she was more interested in how the separate divisions live their life or what are their ideologies.

And the reason why they were “teaching her how to manipulate the pegasi and unicorns” was for the better good, to help restore the magic and friendship, something that everyone else was blind to see.

Yet when Sunny “failed” she did have remorse for her actions of stealing and therefore returned the crystals to their owners while in Twilight’s case she didn’t show remorse until she was scolded by her friends.

@Ohvist
I haven’t seen the G5 movie but that sounds hilarious and completely in line with some of the “lessons” TYT plops out lmao

@LaszlVFX
Oh.

@LaszlVFX
@Ohvist
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@LaszlVFX
and that taste was bitter because the movie gave us very little reason to get invested into these characters due to that macguffin hunt plot that they were going through as though the events of the movie were all on this arbitrary race against the clock to stop an apocalypse. Not helping matters is how Sunny doesn’t seem to see her so-called friends beyond them just being “Non-Earth Ponies” by asking them questions regarding their species as a whole rather than as individuals. And unfortunately that feeling seems to go both ways with them teaching her how to manipulate the other Unicorns and Pegasi in order to get what she wants from them.

Instead of teaching Sunny how to be a more virtuous person or a better friend, her friends teach her how to better LIE and STEAL. And unlike with Twilight in the G4 Movie where her stealing Queen Novos’ pearl was seen as morally wrong and was called out on it by her friends, here Sunny is rewarded for it in the end when her actions helped to bring back Magic and is transformed into an Alicorn for her actions.

@Background Pony #6C1E
That’s because G3 didn’t have a fanbase as big as G4. In fact the G3 fanbase were barely existent.

The characters of FiM immediately come across to not just 1 audience but all audiences which is evidence of their excellent craft, it doesn’t take them multiple seasons or literal years after g4 has already been out unlike g5

@LaszlVFX
No, the purists that g5 is getting.

There weren’t G3 purists bashing G4, if I remember.

@Background Pony #6C1E
The fact that G4 didn’t go in an in-depth character introduction? No, because it took G4 like a season or two until it properly introduced all the characters in-depth. Just like how G5 is most likely gonna take multiple seasons to get the characters known with the audience. The G5 movie was to give a taste of what might be coming up in the G5 show.

Considering how things are going (social media-wise), hope it doesn’t spark something akin to the finale controversy.

@LaszlVFX
Yet that didn’t happen when g4 was first introduced initially.

@Ohvist
And the G5 show isn’t even out yet, the purpose of the movie was to give a basic introduction to the characters and to fix what went wrong in Equestria and unite the 3 pony races. Why should have Hasbro took the extra effort to implement an in-depth character development when they confirmed that there will be a canon show of G5 where they’ll most likely spend the effort to introduce all characters properly.

And you’re not gonna convince me with an essay why the G5 movie sucks compared to some fanfiction.

@LaszlVFX
Not everything, but I at least expected to have a general feel for our main characters beyond this shallow display we got in the G5 Movie that we would have a bead on the type of pony that they are beneath the surface personality that we originally saw in the beginning.

I am not talking about the G4 Movie at all in this discussion. I am talking about the pilot episodes of G4: Friendship is Magic Part 1 and Friendship is Magic Part 2 where we the audience are first introduced to the Mane Six. By the time of the G4 movie; we already know what sort of characters our main cast is supposed to be since we already had a grand whopping total of SEVEN Seasons to understand who exactly they are, so that G4 Movie comparison doesn’t fly here, sonny.

The reason why I decided to compare Sunny Starscout to Littlepip is because the A New Generation Movie recycles the plot of Fallout: Equestria, only lamer and without much of the nuance that was in the original source material or any meaningful characterization to our cast or environmental storytelling to explain exactly what happened during the events of G4 that wound up causing the world of Equestria as we once knew it to go to shit.

Doubt my claims?

A setting that takes place “X” amount of years after Equestria had collapsed once Celestia abdicated the throne to someone who was too incompetent to lead a nation that was designed to solely be functioned by Celestia alone (FO:E with Princess Luna during a crisis brought about by The Littlehorn Massacre; where the students and faculty at Luna’s School for Gifted Unicorns were all killed alongside a convoy of Zebra Refugees which wound up kickstarting an entire war between Equestria and the Zebras that had resulted in Equestria being blown apart by Balefire Bombs, MLP:FiM with Twilight Sparkle during an unknown time of peace where afterwards Magic somehow disappeared).

A main lead who is seen as a social outcast of her community that winds up leaving for the greater world because of some matter involving a Unicorn that had met her (FO:E with Littlepip being tricked into removing Velvet Remedys’ PipBuck; and Littlepip attempting to own up to her mistake by going outside of Stable 2 in order to bring Velvet back home, G5 with Sunny Starscout sending out an invite for Pegasi and Unicorns to come to Maretime Bay that Izzy Moonbow read years later; and resulting in them both running off to try and find out what exactly happened to the Magic).

Our main heroine is temporarily pursued by a Stallion that has a strong thing for Justice only for them to eventually work alongside our main heroine in her quest (FO:E with Deadshot Calamity shooting Littlepip because he thought she was a Raider and him going along with her to pay back for his mistake, G5 with Hitch Trailblazer wanting to arrest Sunny and for accidentally bringing Izzy into town and harboring a Unicorn only to join when promised that he can arrest her after their quest is done).

Our Heroine discovering some crystal MacGuffins that when united with their full components would be able to restore the world again. (FO:E with the Gardens of Equestria: A Megaspell program organized by a Crusader Maneframe Computer hooked up to the Elements of Harmony which can remove the Balefire Radiation from the Equestrian Wasteland whose only missing component is six new Bearers of the Elements to function that Spike has spent two centuries trying to look for; G5 with those crystals that are able to bring back Magic to Equestria whose only missing component is the Earth Pony crystal that Sunny has no clue even existed when she and the others first-discovered the stained glass mural).

Our Heroine making a dangerous enemy of a Pegasus-controlled nation that exists above the clouds because of our heroines’ accidental actions against one of their leaders and pursuing her because of our Heroine harboring traitors to Pegasuskind (FO:E with Littlepip through a Memory Gambit orchestrating the death of The Goddess via underground Megaspell Detonation only to accidentally also kill off a high-ranking member of the Grand Pegasus Enclave that had showed up at the same time; kicking off the events of OPERATION: Cauterize where the Enclave swooped down to wage war with the surface to destroy every settlement that was remotely associated with Red-Eye and killing every single Dashite that had defied or challenged the authority of the Enclave, G5 with Sunny and co. trying to steal Queen Havens’ crown during a public event that wound up exposing the Pegasus royal family as frauds and resulting in the authorities of Zephyr Heights chasing after Queen Haven who escaped to chase after her missing daughters; whom Zephyr Heights also wanted to be arrested resulting in both the Pegasi and the Unicorns into a confrontation just inside of Bridlewood).

Our Heroine facing off against a central antagonist to the story: A red-coated Earth Pony that has aspirations through dangerous goals that pose a considerable threat to Ponykind (G5 with the idiotic Sprout; a mamas boy that sought to commit genocide against the Pegasi and Unicorns in order to create an epoch of Earth Pony supremacy, FO:E with Red-Eye; a Stable Pony turned Warlord Slaver that rules over a Wasteland-spanning empire whos goal is to achieve Godhood in order to tear apart the Cloud Layer to bring Sunlight back to Equestria again).

A New Generation is nothing more than a poor-mans’ telling of the plot of Fallout: Equestria.

FiM was immediately a home run especially so with characters that blew all other media out of the water lol

Nah, I’ll stick with the bland, generic main protagonist of an overhyped movie than some random person’s OC from a gritty and edgy relic of a fanfiction

@Ohvist
Do you really expect for the G5 movie to show off everything about the characters in an hour and half long movie when the G5 main show is under production? G4 had 9 years of the canon show, 2 special episodes + a movie, so it would be premature to judge the characters already in G5 when the only actual thing we have is the movie. Also did the G4 movie went in-depth with all the mane 6 characters?

But if you wanna bring up how “useful” Pipp was in the G5 movie then how about if we bring up how “useful” Fluttershy was in the G4 movie. Also you literally just compared a G5 canon character to a fanmade character, which is an unfair comparison since one is made by the fandom with care while the other is made by a corporation who doesn’t necessarily know what the fandom wants.

@LaszlVFX
We had an entire movie that had double the runtime of the Friendship is Magic pilot episodes, but we barely had any chance for the main characters to interact with one-another long enough to have the audience get a bead on their personalities and group dynamic when paired with one-another or with one-on-one with the main character that goes beyond the surface level we were first introduced to them by.

To wit, when we all first saw Rainbow Dash, we thought that she was just a stereotypical jock character that cared only about aspiring to join a sports team in chapter one, but in chapter two we find out that Rainbow Dash is so much more than a jock in that she also has a Nobility side to her when she is almost tricked by Nightmare Moon into joining her in the guise of a Sports Team that wanted her to join them, only for Rainbow to politely turn them down.

What is Pipps’ personality in the movie? She is a social media influencer style Princess both in her introduction and all the way to the end, the only change that she undergoes is that now she can use her wings again. We barely had an actual chance to know Pipp as a Pony beneath the Social Media Influencer in the same way that we got to learn about Rainbow Dash beneath the Jock.

Pipp Petals has the title of a princess, so your argument is invalid

@TheAlmightyToasterPone

“Whoo! Look at that awful fanfic!”

@Background Pony #2057
This whole thread is G4 puritisms. G5 is barely out and people are already judging.