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I suppose one of the only good ones is this:
your current filter.Is there a picture of the evil twilight I can look at?
She wouldn’t have outlived her friends then!
Wouldn’t that be a kick in teeth?
Calling someone out on their actions isn’t a personal attack. Besides, if you truly felt that way then you would have deleted his too. If I can’t call him a child for acting like one then why can he call me closed minded for not agreeing with him? You’re playing favorites.
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If you scroll way down to the bottom of the page, there’s three columns, and at the top of the left column is a link: Site Rules
It’s one of those elements of the site that you kinda stop noticing because you see it all the time :p
Wits rule# 0??… ._.
If you can’t discuss this without personal attacks then perhaps it’s time to stop.
Noone. Thanks for reminding me. You’re completely wrong, and if someone else asks me why, I’ll tell them, but I won’t bother for you. Trying to communicate with you is too stressful since you like to turn everything to personal insults. When you can talk civilly without belittling, then I’ll give a real reply.
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A) You’re assuming the prophesy is false. They think it’s true. Also, it wouldn’t create a paradox if they’re two parallel realities. That’s as likely - even more likely than the alternative, since it avoids paradoxes.
B) You took my wording and changed what I meant. What I meant is that they seem to think that it didn’t take into account their first “death”, because they come back. Her friends are still living, now, thus Twilight hasn’t yet outlived them, so it isn’t disproven. It was disproven before they came back, but now that they’re back… Unless you count Spike, in which case, he should’ve just killed himself if he thought that’d kill Twi.
C) You’ve never programmed, have you? “If they’re not alive in this timeline anywhere past this point in time, Twilight must be dead.” That means if they leave that timeline, then Twilight must be dead, or they will return in the future.
If you’re just going to call the various possibilities “fail”, then I see no reason to spend my time talking to you, so I’ll just leave this unless you actually have something valid to say that’s worth my time.
If I’m wise, I’ll just ignore you if you continue to be so insulting. “Anyone with common sense can see why that’s wrong” is not an explanation, it’s just saying “you’re stupid so you’re wrong!” without providing any reasoning, and clearly without understanding what I was saying, or being so incredibly close-minded and so sure of your random assumptions that you can’t entertain any other possibilities.
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Let’s take a look at this, shall we?
[Point A: The Prophecy Is Literal]
If this was true them killing them now wouldn’t kill Twilight. It would only prove that the prophecy was fake (once again) because the other five would be dead (again) and Twilight would still be alive. This is just common sense. Killing their past selves in the future would only create a time paradox.
[Point B: The prophecy counts their second appearance in their timeline as being “alive” again.]
Key word there being “Again”. That would imply that the prophecy can be reset after it failed the first time. Meaning that the prophecy is fake. Also, I’ve already covered why time travel can’t be accounted for in magical prophecies in a past post.
[Point C: If the mane 5 leave and never come back then Twilight dies.]
I don’t believe I even need to point out the amount of “Fail” that’s even in this one sentence. Anyone with common sense can see why that doesn’t work.
[Point D: If they come back in the distant future, then Twilight isn’t guaranteed to die until then.]
Again, I don’t believe I need to point out the amount of “Fail” in this one sentence thanks to Point C.
[Point E: Maybe the timer will follow them as if it’s a clock counting back that’s attached to the mane 5, with another end in the Resistance’ timeline, so Twilight is assured to die within, say, 70 years or so, since that’s about how much longer the mane 5 may continue to live until death by natural causes.]
If the amount of time they have left to live followed them to the future (no duh) then going back into the past would take it all back with them. Their wouldn’t be any “time boost” added to Twilight’s lifespan. Evil Twilight isn’t a Weeping Angel.
[At any rate, the safest and “best” path (morals aside of murdering 5 innocent ponies) is to murder the “keys” to Twilight’s life – the remaining mane 5. And Spike. And I guess her friends in Canterlot, too, but they died a long time ago and aren’t back again, so, minus them.]
You can’t say that. The girls have been dead for a long time too. If you are going to say that the other five girls “time traveling” counts towards the prophecy then you have to apply it to ALL her friends that are still alive in the past.
[If they DON’T take this route, then they run the risk of A) it will count any of the mane 5’s visits to the distant future as them being alive, so Twilight’s will live at most for basically an unlimited time]
Almost like she’d be some kind of immortal Alicorn?
[B) it will count until their top timeline returns to “A”, so Twilight will live at most about a thousand more years,]
And once again, fail…
[C) it will count until the mane 5 die in their own timelines, so Twilight will live at most 80 more years,]
If they return to the past then all that will happen would be what future Spike already said happened with them. That being that they died and Twilight didn’t. Fail.
[D) it will count until they leave, and they don’t have to kill them at all, they just have to leave the future and never come back to a point further than that.]
New point C renders new point D false since those five are already established as dead in the future timeline. Going back only reestablishes the future’s current timeline. Meaning if Twilight was going to die from her friends being dead then it would’ve already have happened and none of this would be happening now. Making this entire story one big paradox.
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>Illogical plot twists
>I’ve totally been calling it from the beginning
Well, let’s look at it this way:
The red line in the bottom timeline (the timeline the resistance lives in) could be interpreted as when her friends die - not their point of departure from the upper timeline.
From the Resistance’ point of view:
Best case scenario:
A)The prophesy is literal, and the Mane 6 count as “alive” until their last death in the timeline. Thus killing the Keys would ensure Twilight’s death, somehow or other. Maybe in the attempt to kill them, Twilight would try to save them with her own life (knowing, that by the prophesy, if they died, she’d die), and they end up killing Twilight. Whatever the case, if the prophesy is true and literal, then killing the “keys” will absolutely mean that Twilight dies first, so if you can kill them that day, then Twilight will be dead by sunset.
Now, on the flip side, imagine this:
B) the prophesy counts their second appearance (post-death of old age) in their timeline as being “alive again”, thus Twilight hasn’t outlived her friends, BUT, if the Mane 5 return to their upper timeline, then they won’t count as “dead” until the upper timeline progresses to point “A”, since that’s when their last appearance in the lower timeline was.
Imagine, in programming terms, a global variable called “last time alive of mane 5”, and that value is set to the time that the mane 5 leave the lower timeline. Okay, but, now the timer on the mane 5’s lives has been reset to the time they return to (dotted line, if they return to their own timeline okay), and the prophesy won’t ensure Twilight’s death until that timer is equal or greater than “last time alive of mane 5”, thus, Twilight could potentially carry on her rule another 1,000 years.
Other alternatives are:
C) The timer counts “last time alive in current timeline” as the time Twilight won’t outlive. Thus, if the mane 5 leave (and never come back!) then Twilight dies.
BUT, D), IF they come back in the distant future, then Twilight isn’t gauranteed to die until then. And finally,
E) Maybe the timer will follow them as if it’s a clock counting back that’s attached to the mane 5, with another end in the Resistance’ timeline, so Twilight is assured to die within, say, 70 years or so, since that’s about how much longer the mane 5 may continue to live until death by natural causes.
At any rate, the safest and “best” path (morals aside of murdering 5 innocent ponies) is to murder the “keys” to Twilight’s life - the remaining mane 5. And Spike. And I guess her friends in Canterlot, too, but they died a long time ago and aren’t back again, so, minus them.
Basically just the rest of the mane 5 and Spike since they’re the only ones left alive.
If they DON’T take this route, then they run the risk of A) it will count any of the mane 5’s visits to the distant future as them being alive, so Twilight’s will live at most for basically an unlimited time, B) it will count until their top timeline returns to “A”, so Twilight will live at most about a thousand more years, C) it will count until the mane 5 die in their own timelines, so Twilight will live at most 80 more years, or D) it will count until they leave, and they don’t have to kill them at all, they just have to leave the future and never come back to a point further than that.
So, basically, if they don’t kill Twilight’s friends, then they pass up an opportunity where killing Twilight will be as easy as 5 murders. Which is a lot easier than killing a godlike tyrannical empress.
If they do, though, they’re gauranteed success, by the prophesy, which is pretty darn great.
But Spike would also have to kill himself to ensure success.
That’s be a really cool twist, actually - “I know I was planning to kill you, and you may hate me for that… But it really is for the greater good, and I know it’s a lot easier to kill for the greater good than to die for it, which is what I’m asking you to do… But I’m not asking you to do something I won’t.”
Kills himself to ensure the prophesy. That’d be an interesting twist. Even though you want to call him evil for wanting to kill them, if he’s perfectly willing to take the same for himself, then it’s a lot harder to call him evil.
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The reasoning is that crimson changelings cannot imitate alicorn magic.
I’m sure that the angry Background Pony is completely trustworthy on their claim of being polite…
And are you really surprised that people in desperation can latch onto any shred of hope they can find? They have no real idea if it will work, but it’s a chance and they don’t get many of those vs Twilight and her army. In times of desperation, people are capable of becoming the devil himself.
-Lumino
that is my fuckin issue from the start. the writing continuously makes these illogical plot twists that pretty much hurt the story. it takes far too much suspension of disbelief to think ‘won’t outlive her friends’ means ‘she’ll explode if her friends die’ or something of that nature.
story was going well before that bullshit.
course the writer ain’t listening to crticiism. being trying to say over and over again ‘this doesn’t make sense’ and he ended up blocking me.
and it was literally me saying ‘this does not make sense’ rather saying ‘you are a fucking fucktard you fuck’ or things of that nature.
actually the prophecy said that she won’t outlive her friends. implying some incident would kill her………
but they already fucking DIED in this reality.
We can only hope so. Otherwise things might get very confusing.
@Krek
Considering how the comic is trying to force the “kill god by killing his friends” line of thinking, I would have to say no. But the story would end up pulling a huge ‘Ben Kenobi’ on everyone if it did.
Now I kind of want that to actually happen. lol
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@Exedrus
Speaking of interpretations, could it be possible for “Twilight not outliving her friends”, be a metaphorical sense?
Like… Twilight will be forgotten once she’s removed or whatever, while her friends will stay the same in everyone’s minds?
Yep.
@thestralpony
It doesn’t spell it out explicitly, but pretty much every time it’s been brought up (i.e. in the current scene, briefly when Twi was mentioning her plans for the mane 5, and in the pages following its original description) characters in the comic interpreted it that way. That’s what I meant to draw attention to my summary.
We can read into the ambiguity, but there isn’t a lot to base our speculation off of yet (since there hasn’t been much talk in the comic about reinterpreting the prophesy). Although, given that this issue is coming to a head again, perhaps we’ll get some divergent thoughts on the subject from the next few pages.
Edited because: Another example
The prophecy did not imply anything about killing Twilight’s friends. All it said was that Twilight wouldn’t outlive her friends but that clearly didn’t happen. She outlived all of them.
There’s also a bit of back-and-forth whether or not Empress Twilight was replaced by a shapeshifter, but almost everyone just assumes she just aligned herself with said shapeshifters without even entertaining the possibility that she may have been replaced.
Edited because: Missed out on a few words.