Background Pony #5001
"[@cheezedoodle":](/1276582#comment_5544071
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Sigh. So you've latched on to the idea that I've somehow generalized shippers, which is frankly, and I mean no offense even if I feel you're being terribly unfair, a blatant strawman, or at the least an unfortunate misinterpretation.
I admitted that my post was too inflammatory, and that my language was thus unjustified, but that does not for a second mean that I was referring to anything other than a small minority that I was assuming would appear and do what I said. Your posts remain an unabashed strawman, because while my post was certainly much ruder than warranted, I did not somehow insult shippers in general like that, and I don't see how you could possibly get that out of my post, inflammatory language or not. Perhaps I should have gone further out of my way to make it more clear that I wasn't in fact insulting shippers for being shippers or anything else so unfair, but personally I feel that should have been crystal clear in the first place. It probably would have been better if I had waited before posting in the first place, to better see how the comments would play out, but still.
And no, this cover is not in any way whatsoever teasing shipping of any form, certainly not outside of certain peoples imagination. Unless your shipping goggles are welded on far too tight, then I don't have the slightest clue how someone could possibly convince themselves of the ridiculous idea that two characters standing or sitting next to each other is somehow a ship-tease (which implies intent, no less). Interpret it any way you want for your personal matters, let your imagination run wild, but it's not. By that sort of crazy logic you're pushing there, you could argue literally any positive interaction between characters in the show as a 'ship-tease' or something, but that doesn't make it even remotely so. What the heck are you even defining a 'ship-tease' as to believe something like that? And do you feel the same about any other instances of any characters sitting next to each other, for example?
But yeah, I don't know what your idea/definition of a 'ship-tease' is, but this is most definitely not one, and unless your shipping goggles are again, on much too tight, then I don't see how you could possibly claim it that way. Shippers will like this issue, I'm sure, despite it being 100% exclusively friendship, because shippers would probably like any non-negative interaction between the characters they ship, but that doesn't make it a ship-tease of any form.
Anyway, this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about earlier, where every time a male and female character interact just a little as what's quite clearly meant to be just friends, there seems to be a few people who come crawling out of the woodwork to insist that it's shipping, when in reality there's no evidence whatsoever that it's anything more than friendship. I don't care what you think that it is in your personal interpretation, but it's quite clearly not meant to be shipping; it's very clearly just friendship, and there's no shipping in this comic, cover or otherwise.
My conversation with LightningBolt earlier in this thread discussed this a bit, but I doubt you'd be saying the same if it was, say, Fluttershy and Applejack sitting next to each other on the cover. If it magically becomes a ship-tease in your head depending on how you swap around the gender of the characters in any combination, then I'd have to call anyone who thinks like that a clear hypocrite. The vast majority of shippers are just fine, but the vocal minority that goes absolutely bonkers and insists that friendship is somehow proof or a 'tease' of their ship certainly is incredibly annoying at least. I could certainly ignore them, given their very small numbers I'm sure, and frankly I usually do these days, but come ON people.
So the question remains; what exactly are you defining as a 'ship-tease', and how on earth does two characters sitting next to each other qualify as that? Because if someone is silly enough to try and interpret this cover as somehow being a ship tease, they might say the same about any two characters sitting next to each other for any reason whatsoever, no? That's a nonsense standard. If you want to make a case for a ship-tease, then Marble and Big Mac in Hearthbreakers are an example of what that might look like, but two characters sitting next to each other, or standing next to each other, or making eye contact, or whatever else, does NOT equate to shipping.
I don't think someone would dare call stuff like >>1093095 or any other similar example a 'ship-tease' in a serious manner (which again, would also imply intent), and if they're not a total hypocrite, the same goes for stuff like this comic cover. If you think the comic is something you'll enjoy as a shipper, then fair enough, that's understandable that you'd enjoy reading any form of non-negative interaction between characters that you ship, but that does not mean that shipping or ship teasing of any form exists in the content of the comic, cover or otherwise, end of story.
Meh. If you insist on continuing this covnersation, then perhaps it'd be wise to take further posts to PMs, because this comments section is starting to reach it's limit, I'd say. This post is already even longer than my last one, and while I suppose I could shorten it, I'd rather get my point across rather firmly now rather than later.
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[@Background Pony #B81B":](/1276582#comment_5539775
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Yeah, well, whatever. The burden of proof for that sort of thing is certainly typically on the claimant, if you want to claim it in the sense of trying to convince other people somehow, but yes, clearly we've already had a long enough talk about all of this stuff, so I'll be going on my merry way and leaving you to your devices as you suggest. Have a nice day. Or night. Sun is already down for me.
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[@Background Pony #9F21":](/1276582#comment_5542023
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Considering the supposed justification for removing it, I doubt it. The claim was that it was only attracting people who would contribute to the drama, and using another tag would have the same effect if that's really true. Not sure how I feel about the decision, as while I can see the logic there, I know some people prefer to just filter all that stuff out, and I don't blame them.
Sigh. So you've latched on to the idea that I've somehow generalized shippers, which is frankly, and I mean no offense even if I feel you're being terribly unfair, a blatant strawman, or at the least an unfortunate misinterpretation.
I admitted that my post was too inflammatory, and that my language was thus unjustified, but that does not for a second mean that I was referring to anything other than a small minority that I was assuming would appear and do what I said. Your posts remain an unabashed strawman, because while my post was certainly much ruder than warranted, I did not somehow insult shippers in general like that, and I don't see how you could possibly get that out of my post, inflammatory language or not. Perhaps I should have gone further out of my way to make it more clear that I wasn't in fact insulting shippers for being shippers or anything else so unfair, but personally I feel that should have been crystal clear in the first place. It probably would have been better if I had waited before posting in the first place, to better see how the comments would play out, but still.
And no, this cover is not in any way whatsoever teasing shipping of any form, certainly not outside of certain peoples imagination. Unless your shipping goggles are welded on far too tight, then I don't have the slightest clue how someone could possibly convince themselves of the ridiculous idea that two characters standing or sitting next to each other is somehow a ship-tease (which implies intent, no less). Interpret it any way you want for your personal matters, let your imagination run wild, but it's not. By that sort of crazy logic you're pushing there, you could argue literally any positive interaction between characters in the show as a 'ship-tease' or something, but that doesn't make it even remotely so. What the heck are you even defining a 'ship-tease' as to believe something like that? And do you feel the same about any other instances of any characters sitting next to each other, for example?
But yeah, I don't know what your idea/definition of a 'ship-tease' is, but this is most definitely not one, and unless your shipping goggles are again, on much too tight, then I don't see how you could possibly claim it that way. Shippers will like this issue, I'm sure, despite it being 100% exclusively friendship, because shippers would probably like any non-negative interaction between the characters they ship, but that doesn't make it a ship-tease of any form.
Anyway, this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about earlier, where every time a male and female character interact just a little as what's quite clearly meant to be just friends, there seems to be a few people who come crawling out of the woodwork to insist that it's shipping, when in reality there's no evidence whatsoever that it's anything more than friendship. I don't care what you think that it is in your personal interpretation, but it's quite clearly not meant to be shipping; it's very clearly just friendship, and there's no shipping in this comic, cover or otherwise.
My conversation with LightningBolt earlier in this thread discussed this a bit, but I doubt you'd be saying the same if it was, say, Fluttershy and Applejack sitting next to each other on the cover. If it magically becomes a ship-tease in your head depending on how you swap around the gender of the characters in any combination, then I'd have to call anyone who thinks like that a clear hypocrite. The vast majority of shippers are just fine, but the vocal minority that goes absolutely bonkers and insists that friendship is somehow proof or a 'tease' of their ship certainly is incredibly annoying at least. I could certainly ignore them, given their very small numbers I'm sure, and frankly I usually do these days, but come ON people.
So the question remains; what exactly are you defining as a 'ship-tease', and how on earth does two characters sitting next to each other qualify as that? Because if someone is silly enough to try and interpret this cover as somehow being a ship tease, they might say the same about any two characters sitting next to each other for any reason whatsoever, no? That's a nonsense standard. If you want to make a case for a ship-tease, then Marble and Big Mac in Hearthbreakers are an example of what that might look like, but two characters sitting next to each other, or standing next to each other, or making eye contact, or whatever else, does NOT equate to shipping.
I don't think someone would dare call stuff like >>1093095 or any other similar example a 'ship-tease' in a serious manner (which again, would also imply intent), and if they're not a total hypocrite, the same goes for stuff like this comic cover. If you think the comic is something you'll enjoy as a shipper, then fair enough, that's understandable that you'd enjoy reading any form of non-negative interaction between characters that you ship, but that does not mean that shipping or ship teasing of any form exists in the content of the comic, cover or otherwise, end of story.
Meh. If you insist on continuing this covnersation, then perhaps it'd be wise to take further posts to PMs, because this comments section is starting to reach it's limit, I'd say. This post is already even longer than my last one, and while I suppose I could shorten it, I'd rather get my point across rather firmly now rather than later.
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[@Background Pony #B81B
Yeah, well, whatever. The burden of proof for that sort of thing is certainly typically on the claimant, if you want to claim it in the sense of trying to convince other people somehow, but yes, clearly we've already had a long enough talk about all of this stuff, so I'll be going on my merry way and leaving you to your devices as you suggest. Have a nice day. Or night. Sun is already down for me.
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[@Background Pony #9F21
Considering the supposed justification for removing it, I doubt it. The claim was that it was only attracting people who would contribute to the drama, and using another tag would have the same effect if that's really true. Not sure how I feel about the decision, as while I can see the logic there, I know some people prefer to just filter all that stuff out, and I don't blame them.