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The ride never ends unfortunately.
“Right, it’s not like art is an ongoing process that is agonized over, every decision coming to close scrutiny, even in retrospect. No, final product is just that. Nothing to do with people like Stanley Kubrick. I guess you would absolutely hate that guy, what with his lack of firmness in just sticking with the first product rolled out.”
Well we wouldn’t hate that guy, but we will hate his action. If he’s going to bend his ass over for an SJW, then yeah we will criticize him for it.
“I’m sorry? You believe in precognition? No, really, I cannot think of any other way to interpret your standpoint.”
Yes I do believe in it because at least people are getting the chance to vote which pose to put in the final product, not put it out and see what happens if it triggers another person. It saves the teams time.
“Sooner or later, one of you people will end up intentionally mocking someone who actually has PTSD. That’ll be a shitstorm.”
Well if that person has PTSD and makes an assumption that the character in Overwatch has PTSD then yeah we’ll mock them for not having a thicker skin and bitching over a polygon pixelized character that doesn’t represent you or any group. And even if it did so fucking what? Hello. That’s the purpose of jokes. They’re suppose to offend other people’s misery and/or stupidity. If one pixelized character is all it takes to triggered you and make you believe that that character is suppose to represent a gender, race, religion etc. then you deserve to be mocked because you can’t tell what’s fictional and what’s not.
“Well, here, I’ll be open about the fact that I have little issue with light-heartedness, and a lot of annoyance with the rear over the shoulder butt-pose that has been infesting movie posters and ad campaigns for the last decade or so.”
And yet you don’t hear anyone complaining about those posters and ad campaigns and demand them to take it down do you? Just like the Tracer’s previous shoulder butt pose, it was fine how it was. Nobody cared.
“The logical conclusion being that no one has any right to complain about anything ever, because there is never an absolute necessity to allow oneself to be exposed to it.”
And what if one wants to be exposed to it? Are you going to deny their right and customer’s money just because someone is triggered?
“There’s a lot of interesting editorializing going on here about a corporate decision. When BioWare or Bethesda makes an informed decision to alter their artistic game design decision, it’s perceived in a very, very different manner. I wonder why?”
Definitely not SJWs. We’re fine if they want to change their game design over their own decision, just as long its not after when one person is screaming “I don’t like this and neither should the game company.”
“Lot of stereotyping going on here, that reflects far more on you than on the author of the post in question. Seriously, far more prudishness is emitted from the socially conservative demographics embodied by Jack Thompson and Rush Limbaugh, but these days everyone who responds to a cultural issue in a way remotely related to principle is an SJW or something.”
Welcome to America. No as a matter of fact welcome to reality, where people judge you by your actions. You have the right to speak your mind, but we also have the right to criticize your actions and thoughts. It’s fine if one person doesn’t like that certain video game, but when that same person demands everyone to not purchase that video game then it becomes a huge problem and that person will face mockery and criticism. That’s how life works. Don’t like it? Don’t give us the opportunity and use common sense. These heterosexist who criticized video games don’t even play video games yet they keep ranting that its made for boys and demand changes.
“If the video game industry never hated on fat people, I’d be very happy. Apparently, this is a dystopian vision to some people.”
Wow. Where did you get the assumption that video game industry hates fat people? I guess when someone looks at an event sponsored by the LGBT community, it must means that they hate heterosexuals.
“Dude, even when I was a GamerGate guy I didn’t get the furor over her. I watched some of her videos, got some none-too radical feminist thought, and lost interest. Apparently, it’s material for a culture war to other people.”
And apparently it worked thanks to her. Even when people are calling her out her bullshit, they get called sexist towards women. Because that’s how sexism works apparently.
“Have you tried not being those things? ( sarcasm )”
I find it hard to believe that you were being sarcastic there. And no I can’t be one of those since I’m not white, have and respect my girlfriend, and being a responsible adult (because that’s what white privilege is, a responsible adult)
“Says the guy who is very, very concerned by political issues in gaming. Psychological projection is hard to deny here, I’d say.”
Clearly you don’t read the newspapers, or maybe you do but you don’t care about it since you’re goal in life doesn’t involve in making video games. It matters a lot to me because society are now judging every gamers based on what the feminazi said, and like a guppy, they all are eating the hook, line, and sinker. Can you imagine if people did the same thing to the LGBT community or the feminist group, rather than people eating up the information, they would get called out and being called women haters. It’s almost as if they can’t handle crticism….oh wait.
Literally what Katamariguy just said lol.
“It’s not like saying “I prefer this pose over that pose” is all it takes to put the pose they want into the beta and the final game.”
Right, it’s not like art is an ongoing process that is agonized over, every decision coming to close scrutiny, even in retrospect. No, final product is just that. Nothing to do with people like Stanley Kubrick. I guess you would absolutely hate that guy, what with his lack of firmness in just sticking with the first product rolled out.
‘I don’t believe in hindsight because you would already know what’s going to happen if you perform actions that would trigger the event. It’s basically saying “What I’m doing is bad, I know that it’s bad, but I’m going to do it anyways.”’
I’m sorry? You believe in precognition? No, really, I cannot think of any other way to interpret your standpoint.
“boy’s father would get triggered”
Sooner or later, one of you people will end up intentionally mocking someone who actually has PTSD. That’ll be a shitstorm.
“Then I expect to hear the same criticism on Zenyatta’s taunt emote since that’s out of character too.”
Well, here, I’ll be open about the fact that I have little issue with light-heartedness, and a lot of annoyance with the rear over the shoulder butt-pose that has been infesting movie posters and ad campaigns for the last decade or so.
“The problem being is that you’re making a complaint over a downloadable content that’s not forcing you to purchase and play. It’s not going to affect your gameplay or the game at all.”
The logical conclusion being that no one has any right to complain about anything ever, because there is never an absolute necessity to allow oneself to be exposed to it. #individualism
“everyone in the Blizzard company lost their minds.”
There’s a lot of interesting editorializing going on here about a corporate decision. When BioWare or Bethesda makes an informed decision to alter their artistic game design decision, it’s perceived in a very, very different manner. I wonder why?
“SJW soccer mom”
Lot of stereotyping going on here, that reflects far more on you than on the author of the post in question. Seriously, far more prudishness is emitted from the socially conservative demographics embodied by Jack Thompson and Rush Limbaugh, but these days everyone who responds to a cultural issue in a way remotely related to principle is an SJW or something.
“video game industries can’t make video games the way they use to without offending land whales”
If the video game industry never hated on fat people, I’d be very happy. Apparently, this is a dystopian vision to some people.
“thanks to Anita Sarkeesian”
Dude, even when I was a GamerGate guy I didn’t get the furor over her. I watched some of her videos, got some none-too radical feminist thought, and lost interest. Apparently, it’s material for a culture war to other people.
“racist, sexist, and misogynist white male privileges”
Have you tried not being those things? ( sarcasm )
“All we want to do is relax and play video games, not constantly hear news about someone on Tumblr or Twitter got offended by a video game that they’ve never heard nor willing to purchase. “
Says the guy who is very, very concerned by political issues in gaming. Psychological projection is hard to deny here, I’d say.
“Have you heard of uncertainty, hindsight and going back and editing? lol.”
So you’re meaning to tell me that rather than having a vote on which pose they prefer more just to save time, they release it in the game anyways regardless of being against it? It’s not like saying “I prefer this pose over that pose” is all it takes to put the pose they want into the beta and the final game. I don’t believe in hindsight because you would already know what’s going to happen if you perform actions that would trigger the event. It’s basically saying “What I’m doing is bad, I know that it’s bad, but I’m going to do it anyways.”
“I stand by the criticism that Tracer’s original pose was inaccurate for her character”
Then I expect to hear the same criticism on Zenyatta’s taunt emote since that’s out of character too. Who knows, there could be a child that wants to grow up as a monk and that boy’s father would get triggered should he see that.
“why add it in the game in the first place?”
Have you heard of uncertainty, hindsight and going back and editing? lol.
I don’t give 3 shits if Blizzard supported the pose genuinely or not, it’s their fault for agreeing. I stand by the criticism that Tracer’s original pose was inaccurate for her character and more appropriate for Widow Maker, so no psuedo intellectual garbage which disguises the petty gamer outrage and offense over having wank material taken away will change that. Wank material that was replaced with sexier and better wank material if I may add.
It would, if
I also want you to take a look at this.
Now I know people can already tell which character is which today, but back when TF2 was still in development, do you think that most players actually knew nearly every characters they saw for the first time?
and finally
While I stand by my previous comment, I realize I should have been more clear. As the game director, I have final creative say over what does or does not go into the game. With this particular decision, it was an easy one to make—not just for me, but for the art team as well. We actually already have an alternate pose that we love and we feel speaks more to the character of Tracer. We weren’t entirely happy with the original pose, it was always one that we wrestled with creatively. That the pose had been called into question from an appropriateness standpoint by players in our community did help influence our decision—getting that kind of feedback is part of the reason we’re holding a closed beta test—but it wasn’t the only factor. We made the decision to go with a different pose in part because we shared some of the same concerns, but also because we wanted to create something better.
Which begs the question. If he and his team didn’t feel comfortable adding the pose to the game, why add it in the game in the first place?
And Tracer ain’t Catwoman or Black Widow, so her original spy catsuit styled pose did not fit while her new speedster one does. Widow Maker is a femme fatale, so her pose works. Your attempts at an in universe explanation argument falls flat.
Andyes, I will affirm that you are more prone to offense since this nontroversy is a few weeks old, was solved by a better pose, but you had to bring it up.
This ought to shut this argument down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmLkVtqjf1A
Oh and:
“Anita Sarkeesian at the fear of being called racist, sexist, and misogynist white male privileges.” Pfft hahaha you just had to bring it up. Typical gator. I don’t agree with her on all points, but your fear of her and the “pc era” (which doesn’t make sense since anyone who tries to be PC is dismissed as an SJW) is ridiculous.
“All we want to do is relax and play video games, not constantly hear news about someone on Tumblr or Twitter got offended by a video game that they’ve never heard nor willing to purchase.” THEY TARGETED GAMERS…and we would like to critique stuff without you dweebs getting offended and harassing people. Books, movies and plays have been critiqued by cultural critics of all ideologies, so grow up when we say something doesn’t sit right with a particular view and don’t start stupid hashtag movements because you get offended. :^)
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Neither are emotes or skins on other characters, yet you don’t hear anyone complaining about it.
Because when I think of Zenyetta an omnic who wish to help other omnics and humans find inner peace, I think of him doing this.
How about Widowmaker’s ballot skin? Surely because she’s a cold-blooded killer, she would wear something like that right? In fact, why don’t I hear any complaints about it?
I can go on, but given with your last comment on how I am 10x prone to rage on these news, it tells me that you don’t care to listen to my side of opinion, and stick with your own opinions.
Okay first of all, why would you allow your child to play a video game that is designated for teenagers in the first place? Say what you will about children nowadays playing Call of Duty, Halo etc., but at the same time, the children aren’t going to understand some of the stuff that the game’s content is going to have. And even if children only play for the multiplayer, they’re going to be punished by being ridiculed or booted off from other players that are older than them. This happens in every shooting games.
Oh so you’re telling me that in order to play payload, I need to have a certain emote or skin? Also thanks for furthering my point on optional poses by adding in player’s decision.
The problem being is that you’re making a complaint over a downloadable content that’s not forcing you to purchase and play. It’s not going to affect your gameplay or the game at all.
And that’s why everyone is making a complaint towards and looking down upon Blizzard. We have forums where people complain about classes that is in dire needs of nerfs and buffs in World of Warcraft, games such as Diablo 3 (excluding and before the console release) that requires you to be online in order to play, and cards in Hearthstone that needed to be changed due to being overpowered, and not a single one of them batted Blizzard’s eye. But when an SJW soccer mom made a complaint about Tracer’s optional pose and used her child as a shield to avoid criticism, everyone in the Blizzard company lost their minds.
Given that we’re in an era of PC culture, video game industries can’t make video games the way they use to without offending land whales that don’t play video games thanks to Anita Sarkeesian at the fear of being called racist, sexist, and misogynist white male privileges.
All we want to do is relax and play video games, not constantly hear news about someone on Tumblr or Twitter got offended by a video game that they’ve never heard nor willing to purchase.
@Katamariguy
Dammit comrade SJW Katamariguy, you said it before I could. :D In addition, I’d say that even if the pose it’s optional, there is still the valid critique that it doesn’t suit Tracer. Besides, the new pose is sexy quality and in character.
And given the fact that Ledvi is still complaining, it’s clear that anti SJWs (face it SJW lost all meaning given how liberally it’s applied) are 10x more prone to rage.
“Since when does making a “critique” involve using your own child as a shield from criticism”
So parents can’t complain about any issue at all related to their kids? Okay.
“an optional pose that she doesn’t have to pick?”
As opposed to mandatory content in a medium where most things are up to player decision?
“That’s like saying that I’m going to complain about a DLC that offers erotic clothing for my characters to wear, never mind the fact that it’s optional to purchase them.”
The problem being?
“Just because one person is offended doesn’t mean everyone else is. “
Well, Blizzard decided they liked the argument, “offended” or not, so boo hoo.
Since when does making a “critique” involve using your own child as a shield from criticism and making complaints over an optional pose that she doesn’t have to pick? That’s like saying that I’m going to complain about a DLC that offers erotic clothing for my characters to wear, never mind the fact that it’s optional to purchase them. No one is forcing her to pick that pose. Just because one person is offended doesn’t mean everyone else is.
Best edgelord. Reaper can take notes from this awesome aussie.
Not triggered enough to keep complaining about it like you are sweetie. The orignal post was more of a critique than offense LOL.
Main: Well the game doesn’t really want you to main classes since its forcing you to get out of your comfort zone, but if I do have a class that I pick a lot..Hmm Offense: Pharrah and Winston. Defense: Torbjorn and Junkrat.
Favorite Design: Definitely Reindhart and D.Va
Waifu: Widowmaker, Mei, and D.VA
Throw them in the trash: Zarya. Seriously besides being a class made for trigglypuffs that don’t play video games, I find her completely useless, especially both her passive, damage, and range.
Mine’s Zenyatta. Discord enemies all day long.
And I’ll post a video my friend recorded of them going with the greatest lineup ever (minus the obvious outcast)
As a Medic/Engineer main and a frequent Tracer player, I recommend being more concerned on the Spy part (a-la fast but squishy knifeless Spy with Dead Ringer and explosive sapper on a looooong cooldown).