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Sombra + Chrysalis 100% confirmed for new comic arc.
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Radiant Hope: “Sombra, who is she?!”
Queen Chrysalis: “Ugh! Who’s She?!”
King Sombra: “Go back to the castle, Chryssie, we’ll talk about this later!”
I dunno. Does sharing a drink and a laugh with someone mean you actually care about them? Maybe, but nowhere near as much as showing actual compassion or comforting them when they’re upset.
So basically she’s a good villain because she’s so far removed from what’s appropriate for MLP? And emotion eaters being 100% evil, irredeemable monsters is refreshing, because emotion eaters having sympathetic qualities is so overdone?
No, no, and no. Grimdark belongs absolutely nowhere near MLP. If I wanted to see grimdark there are DOZENS of other places I can go to see it. MLP is where I go to GET AWAY from grimdark.
And her caring about her species would do tons for her character if she actually showed it from time to time. You know, hugging one of her drones, singing to them, giving them words of encouragement, “mommy chryssy” stuff. I don’t remember seeing that in the comics.
Chrysalis is the perfect villain for a world that’s usually very bright and cheerful. He’s antagonism is mainly a product of being a creature so far removed from regular pony society. She’s head of a species devoted to draining other species as a form of sustenance. The fact that she cares for her species is at least a character trait. Not saying every villain in MLP needs to be grimdark, but it’s refreshing that at least one is.
Oh don’t remind me. Twilight being possesed by the idiot ball full force and opening the only thing between Chrysalis and freedom to hand her a book.
SOME PRISON
Yeah comic Chrysalis is pretty much a bad version of the joke but Cook keeps writing her in because she likes her. Hell she might as well be pony Aizen considering her plans always work except for how stupid they are. Need I mention how she escaped?
Yeah, Joker has his pure charisma and deadly charm for him. I mean Harley was pretty much entranced by him in her debut appearence. He may be one hell of a psychopath, but he does know how to smoothtalk. Plus the Uruk-kai were intentionally bred to be a murdering species. Not some freak accident.
Comic Chrysalis has pretty much no real charisma, treats her own race as expendable lackeys, and has pretty much nothing beyond BE EVUL. She has about as much depth as a sheet of particle board. If you strip away the TAKE OVER EVERYTHING side, what’s left?
A true villain should at least have some method or underlying personality aside from TAKE OVER THE WORLD.
I knew this visor will cause someone to make that ref sooner or later XD
Though it wasn’t intentional.
/Offtopic
Chrysalis, what does the scouter say about her power level?
Joker has charisma AND his character is built eternally on his insanity and obsession with Batman. He is amusing at being evil, that’s one thing. And then IIRC there’s a comic called “Going Sane” where he thought that he killed Batman and… became normal. Meaning that underneath the madman there was still a person repressed into nothingness or not. I mean he had to be someone before going bonkers, right?
What’s beneath IDW Chrysalis’ insanity? Nothing. Is she at least amusing at being evil? Nope. Though I DO see IDW try to make her into MLP’s Joker but not only it goes against the spirit of the show, they ended up with an unholy hybrid of Joker and Uruk-Hai with flaws of both concepts and benefits of neither.
Then again you offer examples from the same company which created Superman who originally was a completely flat perfect invincible hero aka the opposite of the spectrum. Needless to say our ponies thankfully have nothing like that.
@Mr. Horrible
The biggest complaint I’ve heard about the deer arc was that it failed to make the deer sympathetic. I’ve been saying since day one that you’re not really supposed to be sympathetic to them in the beginning, that there’s no true “good guys” in that arc until Aspen was removed from power. Glad to hear I’m not the only one who realized that. Bonus points for the griffon introduction and deer sapience reasoning.
@soundtea
Says you. Remind me once again what the Joker’s virtues are? It’s OK to sometimes have a truly psychopathic villain as long as it’s not every villain.
@Kappe
Well, that’s one of the advantages the comics enjoy. They can dip into PG-rated material occasionally, while the show has to maintain its Y rating. They can also take chances with offbeat stuff like the mutant apples arc reflections.
Don’t forget that, once the conflict is over, Aspen takes responsibility for his and his people’s actions, insisting on repairing the damage he caused himself (the other Deer also assist). A true villain wouldn’t do that.
That’s literally how it’s presented in the comic. Everything bad that happens in that arc is either directly caused by King Aspen or something he allowed to happen. And it’s only when King Aspen is removed from the picture that things start to get better for everyone. Well-To-Do was only ever intended to be the catalyst that sets off King Aspen’s attack, not the actual bad guy, as evidenced by the fact that he himself hardly appears in the story at all.
The workers were the ones interfering with the letters to Celestia, not Aspen.
Now that I think about it, you seem to see it from a different perspective, making Aspen the REAL Bad Guy… and you know what? THat perspective should have worked. Unfortunately I doubt Cook had that intelligent thinking to make Aspen the true bad guy who wants to make the others look at him as a good guy.
Specially since at the end Celestia IS the one to ask for forgiveness from him for not helping, even though HE was the reason she couldn’t do anything to help.
>How do some nobody workers know what Celestia’s personal student doesnt?
Cause they went into deep into the forest and saw for themselves.
>Then why the hell is an amusment park being built there?
If they had the means to prevent the forest from regrowing, then they could tame the land.
>a plot hole by the Deer’s very existance
Why and how did Zecora come to live in the forest? Why does she exist? If the show doesn’t feel the need to explain her entire life story, like several other elements of the show that “just are”, why should anyone expect the Deer to have a detailed, complete history be crammed into two issues?
Likely the Minotaurs didn’t know they were there either, and then when they found out they just didn’t care. That part is entirely inconsequential anyway, because the whole theme park thing was pretty obviously an intentionally barebones plot device to set up the conflict from the actual villain, King Aspen.
It also doesn’t change the fact that the comic provided a perfectly clear and reasonable explanation for the existence of the deer kingdom, which was what my point was actually about, that you appear to be willfully ignoring.
Except that’s the comics themselves creating a plot hole by the Deer’s very existance. An even bigger one given that the Deer don’t get any history of how they’ve been there. They are the stereotypical hidden elf village.
Then why the hell is an amusment park being built there? And somehow within sight of the deer’s village as well? Not to mention that apparently they knew about the deer since that cliche as hell lookin henchpony was shooting down every messenger bird. How do some nobody workers know what Celestia’s personal student doesnt?
All these problems compound to make the comic a general mess that the show will likely never bring up.
This.
@soundtea
>You’d think Celestia would give a little heads up.
She did as soon as things started going south. This isn’t the first time Celestia has kept information hidden until it was relevant.
>when we saw a regular ol deer in Fluttershy’s yard once
Most hooved animals are sapient in the show, so they shouln’t have put that deer there. Can’t blame the comics for the show’s own inconsistencies.
It is jarring when the Deer apparently have diplomatic relations, yet not even Twilight (who is a princess by this point and has some power over the area, not to mention a close friend of Celestia) knows a single thing about them. You’d think Celestia would give a little heads up.
And it’s the fact that it isnt a single character, but an entire location out of nowhere with a sudden sapient race (when we saw a regular ol deer in Fluttershy’s yard once).
If you want to use Griffonstone as a counterpoint I feel compelled to point out that back in Season 1 when Gilda was introduced a decent amount of the main characters didn’t even know what a Griffon was or that it was a real thing that existed. And then the show just “plops” an entire Griffon kingdom in that not only exists within Equestria and is less than a day’s travel from Ponyville, but is active enough to send political and athletic representatives to every major event.
When you take the fact that, according to the show, most ponies are to terrified to even go anywhere near the borders of that forest, let alone very far deep inside of it, and combine with it with the facts that the deer’s kingdom is the deepest, most inaccessible part of the forest and that they actively went out of their way to avoid pony society as much as possible, it’s entirely reasonable that nopony knew they were there.
The show already established that the Everfree is mysterious and should be much bigger than it appears (anyone else remember the line “from beyond the Everfree forest”?) so complaining about new stuff being revealed this late when the show pulls the same crap all the time (Shining Armor for instance) seems like an arbitrary excuse to put down the comics.
I think we can agree the comic failed terribly with the Deer. They’re plopped into the Everfree with seemingly literally only Celestia knowing of them even though they’re next door to Ponyville, they’re doing things much worse by destroying just about every nearby town and city, and worse gives them absolutely no real reason why or how they’re there. Same problem with the Moon Furbies, just plopped there without any real reason. It doesn’t help that the bad guy feels like a terrible Captain Planet reject.
In contrast, the show introduces new places like Griffonstone by showing how they rose up and the reason for their fall. Helps that they’re in far off lands. Deer being in the Everfree all along is pretty jarring.