GREETINGS FROM FOUR YEARS LATER.
 
WOULD YOU BELIEVE MAN OF STEEL IS ACTUALLY NOW CONSIDERED SECOND BEST OF THE DCEU?
 
IT’S TRUE.
 
BECAUSE 3/5 OF THEM ARE ABSOLUTE SHIT.

Yeah when I saw this scene the first thing that come to my mind was Clark knowing how to fly In the Man of Steel

Pretty overblown, if you ask me.
 
@PonyPon  
This guy gets it.

Came here expecting to see people complaining about how bad man of steel was, instead all I got was a successful troll.
 
Bronies I am disappoint.

@PonyPon  
No, a conversation can be of any topic and doesn’t have to be an argument. An argument can be a debate, but it shouldn’t be against someone who is just saying lies to get people’s goat.

@Darkmoon  
Isn’t that what conversations are usually like?

@PonyPon  
People argue with him like he’s actually serious, that’s what he wants.

@Darkmoon  
How, in any conceivable way, could he be rewarded for this conversation?

@Background Pony #933D  
The difference being you’re just feeding a fire of bullshit, or are just plain stupid. So I don’t want to you be rewarded for this.

@RBDash11  
It takes some skill, no doubt about it, but it’s doable. One of my favorite animes, Gundam Wing, pulled off an ensemble cast magnificently, while still maintaining Heero Yuy as the “front-man”, as it were. Many old disney cartoons I used to watch also pulled it off reasonably well.
 
I agree that there’s some value and sense in making the best of the situation we’re given, but I also think that there’s something to be learned from a little analysis as well.

@Background Pony #933D
 
It’s true that the finale puts a heavy focus on Twilight herself. Like the series premiere, S2 and S3 opening/finale. The reasoning behind that I think is because she is the one most associated with leadership/power both within the fandom and the target audience. But that comes at the cost of sidelining the other characters.
 
It’s a cost/benefit dilemma: Too much focus on her friends and Twilight would seem irrelevant. Too much focus on Twi and it would make her friends seem unimportant. It’s a really delicate job finding a balance between the two.
 
IMO we shouldn’t focus on what could’ve happened but rather, what has happened and enjoy the show for what it is.

@RBDash11  
Also, risking the entire kingdom for one’s friends is pretty selfish leadership.
 
The animation was good, but the songs were forgettable.

@RBDash11  
Don’t forget the part where Twilight is basically the “star” of the whole thing, her friends do nothing important except get captured, and Discord acts like a dunce for no reason. Heck, Discord even had every opportunity to escape, but instead he just stood there looking dumb.
 
But I did mention that there was something I liked, that being Tirek himself.

@Background Pony #933D
 
Don’t you see, Twilight is willing to risk “everything” for her friends. Sure it sounds strange to hold your pals’ safety over that of the entire kingdom. But when a person is in extreme danger and right down there in the heat of the moment, they would do things that they wouldn’t normally do just to grasp that little sliver of hope?
 
At this point, I think we’re getting a bit too analytical here.
 
The primary complaints you have here seems to be the “Deux es Machina” nature of the Rainbow Power and Twilight’s decision to negotiate with Tirek. Like I said before, such plots are inevitable in shows where magic is commonplace. Yes, it’s cliche and kinda just for the toys only. But they did kinda pull it off.
 
Instead of nitpicking the weaker parts of the finale, why don’t we just talk about it’s strengths.

@Darkmoon  
And you call ME the troll. How ironic.

@Background Pony #933D  
No, I don’t want you to be happy.

@Darkmoon  
You know, if you don’t want to talk, you can leave. Stop trying to silence everyone else.

@Background Pony #933D  
Guys come on, don’t give him the time of day.

@RBDash11  
The worst? If it hadn’t been for the rainbow power silliness (which no one had foreseen), they would’ve lost everything. How do you “prepare” for that?

@PonyPon  
Yes, and that was a much better response. Again, there’s a reason you don’t negotiate in this kind of situation. Once Twilight surrendered her magic, the only thing that could save not only her, but all of Equestria, is the contrived rescue of the writers.

@Background Pony #933D
 
You’re saying that Twilight should pursue a policy of zero tolerance toward Tirek; no negotiation? Go full on mano a mano on him? If she refused to give up her power, he could’ve just finished off her friends right when she’s hesitating. For Twilight at least, it’s a choice between giving up her power for that little hope that Tirek would release her friends and having it forcibly taken from her and get killed outright.
 
About you’re point on true sacrifice, I think it’s implied that Twilight was preparing for the worst if Tirek went against his own words. Not everything has to be explicitly shown.

@Background Pony #933D  
Didn’t she do that in Equestria Girls?

@RBDash11  
No, the truly brave thing to do is to say, “This guy might kill my friends, but if I surrender, he might kill them anyway, AND me, AND take over. I’m not giving him squat.” That is true sacrifice and responsibility, when you acknowledge there’s no way to save both your friends and your kingdom.
 
I know TV-land likes to play with different rules, but it’s still totally stupid.

@Background Pony #933D
 
Technically speaking, Tirek was holding her friends as hostages. Twilight basically had no idea what he might do to her friends or whether he would uphold his end of the bargain. Imagine a person in her hooves having to deal with a maniac that has held all his friends at gunpoint.
 
During that confrontation you can see Twilight struggle with her decision before finally giving in. Instead of being weak-willed, I think it takes a lot of balls to do that; it demonstrates both that she values her friends’ safety and that she is willing to make great sacrifices even when she’s uncertain about Tirek’s intention.

@Background Pony #933D  
*Quit, whoops.
 
@Ping_chan  
I think that’s a pretty serious reversal from the confident, self-assured person Discord has always presented himself as being thus far.