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Weak troll it is.
First of all, you’re dredging up ancient history here pal. Secondly, you’re not even specifically responding to anything I said. This is the behavior of either a weak troll or a lazy butthurt fanboy who doesn’t like to be contradicted.
I’ts funny how you undermine everyone’s opinions and you yourself come with half-baked theories and “I think this, I think that”, making dozens of assumptions with just as much credibility as every one else.
It’s a show about freaking technicolor magic ponies. Stop arguing about how the magic works, that would be great.
And also Luna would certainly have had time with him, and his company might even have prevented Nightmare Moon from ever being.
Solution is to invent a cure for arthritis, study the magic of friendship, and keep up with the world just the same way as Celestia and Luna. The only problem would have been to get to immortality in the first place, which I surmise he didn’t.
Can’t start a family.
Body hurts all the time from arthritis.
No friends to begin with.
World has moved on since he was last a part of it and he’s now completely isolated, socially.
Celestia and Luna are busy running the country and can’t spend time with him.
/feels.
Yeah, I agree that the writers didn’t put too much thought into it, which is why I did. I actually have an explanation as to what she did, and why it was important, and am working on writing a story about it.
True enough. And the maddening thing is that as I said before, I think they chose to be nebulous on the details intentionally. Not long after MMC, I doodled a quick comic pointing out how, in answer to Twilight’s very direct question, “What did I do?”, Celestia only makes dodgy references to “It” and “Something” and “You have proven that you’re ready, Twilight.” Twi’s query is never truly addressed in a satisfactory manner.
I suppose that one could philosophize that this turns the episode effectively into a poetic fable, open to any number of guesses and interpretations that could explain it. However, I tend to think it has more to do with the uncertainty of the writers themselves as to what it all means and where things are going.
But really, who knows.
Yes, they would be endlessly reproducible- if it were easy. All indications are that this is not the case- it requires a level of dedication, skill, luck and insight to pull it off. My perspective is Celestia has been trying to find a person capable of it for a thousand years before finally finding someone who could do it.
And as for Twilight not being very “Alicornlike”, we first don’t really know all of what Alicorns are capable of- the writers are kind of vague on that, and oftentimes seem to forget she is one, just writing her like her Unicorn self- though the show has stated that Alicorns unite all the pony tribes- So one assumes she’s as strong and tough as an earth pony, as well as having an affinity to plants, and capable of flight and weather manipulation like pegasi- the flight is obviously true.
There’s also the implication that something about their magic is unique- Zecora stated explicitly that only an alicorn’s magic could activate her scrying potion. So, it’s clearly not a “Mundane” state.
And I grasp what you were trying to say, but I was trying to point out how it could very easily be interpreted differently. Ultimately, it’s the same issue- everything’s too vague. Celestia could just as much mean, “No, being a Princess must be earned, and as the sole grantor of Alicornhood, I find you unworthy.” “No, I’m not capable of doing that, Being a princess must be earned, and you’ve not done so.”
Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that since it’s not explicitly spelled out to us, we both interpret it differently. I’ve stated my reasons for interpreting it one way, you stated yours for believing what you do, and we don’t see the same things, and remain unconvinced by each other. It’s too vague and open to interpretation.
Ultimately the question of whether Twilight’s accomplishment either resulted in her reaching a personal mystical apotheosis or where it impressed Celestia enough to give her an Alicorn hand-stamp is really only resolvable by the writers, who are sadly not in this conversation.
By this logic, alicorns are now endlessly reproducible. Of course, that’s not true since no one knows for sure exactly what the hay really happened.
For all your talk about magic color and lighting effects, absolutely nothing at all is conclusive, and everything is left hugely open to speculation. I don’t think they even meant for it to be clear. Still, there are other ways to consider the situation. For example, there’s nothing in Twilight’s actions or, for that matter, those of any other alicorn that would indicate alicornship is in any way an “ascended” state. They remain essentially unchanged aside from wings and a free pass to royalty.
As for the dilemma of Celestia’s rebuke to Sunset, surely you must know what I was actually trying to say. My main point was that Celestia did not deny that she could do it, but merely indicated that it was not deserved. It’s treated as a station that CAN be granted, but only if Celestia thinks one worthy enough.
Sunset was enraged because the power was there for the giving, but was being withheld.
I don’t have all night to spend here, so I’ll go over this as quickly as I can.
Was Twilight’s horn glowing? Yes, actually. Watch the episode again. Her horn is glowing both times, and there’s a magical discharge both times. Perhaps accidentally, but Twilight cast the spell both times.
And yes, the first time the spell was incomplete, (Which is why it made a giant mess) but it was complete the second time- which is why it made an Alicorn.
As for how would Celestia know was the spell was supposed to do? Either A) She’s old enough to have known Starswirl, and he told her, or B) in her large collection of documents, has notes from him that spell out what it was intended to do.
Also, how is it “established” that the origin and appearance of the magic has nothing to do with it’s source? How does “transforming” invalidate that? You’ve presented nothing convincing to that effect. (and in fact, the show’s tendency of magic to appear as the same color as the caster’s magical aura tends to argue otherwise)
And yeah, we’ve “never seen it before” except it resembled a lighting effect of the environment. Also, Not resembling anything we’ve seen before (except, you know, lighting), is really an argument against it being magical, not for.
Also, what about Cadence’s backstory? The book doesn’t explicitly state at any point that Celestia transforms Cadence- the implication seems to be similar to Twilight- reaching some sort of personal magical apotheosis causing her to ascend to a higher state and emerge as an Alicorn- though it’s interesting that it notes that Celestia had reached the same point- the place they ended up may simply be part of the process of becoming an Alicorn, and Celestia knows how to get back there, since she was there once, too. If I concede anything, I could see that Celestia helps them complete the process that they themselves initiated, speeding them through the last step- but it’s otherwise impossible to make an Alicorn without that level of personal achievement. If that were true, arguing she was “Responsible” would be the same as arguing the mailman who delivered a package was wholey responsible for it’s contents.
Also, what about Sunset Shimmer’s back story? I’ve not actually read it yet. What part is relevant?
Your position is pretty easy to refute.
It’s a simple fact. Celestia did it. As an added bonus, this is corroborated perfectly by the backstories of both Sunset Shimmer and Cadence.
Really, I think alot of the disbelief comes from the imminent confusion that crops up if one tries to figure how the event happened in the first place. At least, if you take it at face-value.
Yes, Celestia glowed. It also doesn’t resemble any sort of spell casting we’ve ever seen, much less Celestia’s recognizable magical aura (It actually looks more like she flew up in front of a light source and ended up backlit by it). And on top of that, the final, ultimate transformation takes the form of Twilight Sparkle’s Cutie Mark- her personal symbol.
I mean, let’s review.
Argument for:
Twilight Sparkle casts the spell that initiates the event.
The magical power that ultimately transforms her emerges from her own body, and resembles her magical energies.
The final burst of power to complete her transformation resembles her personal symbol.
Argument against:
At one point in this process, Celestia glows briefly. In the color of the ambient light.
Really, the indicators of Twilight being responsible are so heavy-handed, it almost seems like you’re being intentionally contrary.
Celestia’s entire body was glowing, horn included. “Energy” coming out of Twilight proves less than nothing, since her body is what was being transformed. Twilight initiated absolutely nothing, and all other sources point to the same conclusion.
Except Celestia’s horn isn’t glowing. there’s no indication she’s casting anything whatsoever, and the energy that transforms her clearly emerges from Twilight (Her chest, specifically, it literally physically emerges from her body) before transforming her.
In Sonic Rainboom, the color doesn’t seem to match up with Rarity’s aura (It’s a much brighter blue). It might just be an effect of that specific spell. Or perhaps the transformation match matches up with a pony’s aura once it comes into contact with them. However, the Alicorn transformation energies seem to clearly come from, and are manifested in the form of Twilight’s power. It’s a vastly longer stretch to imagine it was an outside force that changed her.
By that standard, Rarity’s gossamer wings were also her doing, as the magic cocoon was colored blue, like her own magic.
Doesn’t that completely undermine your own position, too?
Keep telling yourself that. It never fails to amuse me that people think they actually understand Equestria’s magic, as if we’re all know-it-all undergraduates in that field. What we see in the show frequently contradicts silly fans’ expectations.
Except, you know, the color of the magic that transforms Twilight is lavender, not gold.
Twilight made herself an Alicorn, not Celestia.