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nope, I don’t watch meme reviews
Is that a muthafuckin Pewdiepie reference?
That’s why Gandalf named her Shoutofax.
Fluttershy is straight up spitting fax here
Also since there’s no sound in this it actually looks like she’s saying a bunch of swear words but it’s so bad that they have to just mute the whole scene.
lol
Nice
Hey, I understood that reference!
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Oh no.
She found all the super cute pictures I took of her caring for animals
memefaces everywhere
Ok, I will admit to this
It is not a binary. drawing the faces would make them more effective.
You keep saying that, but you never give any examples where ignoring anatomy looks better than distorting it.
I never said it didn’t have a negative impact, I just said it didn’t completely kill it.
I’m having trouble understanding what you’re
No. The problem is that the people weren’t complaining about how the facial expressions were constructed, they were complaining about them being extreme, which is not what I am doing.
I never said anything about reigning them in, I just want them to be drawn better. As far as I know, no one likes extreme faces due to their poor construction, and as I said before, there are plenty of expressions in this show that are extreme and constructed well. I am not asking for realism.
I never said that it did, but the key words are “in the hands of skilled artists”, which means that they would have to ignore anatomy differently then those who ignore it out of laziness or ignorance, and you have never demonstrated how this image is the former and not the latter
That’s true, but not all of those expressions look good, and that expanded pool includes drawings made by unskilled children. And I keep explaining that there are right and wrong waysto break the rules, and that there is a lot you can do when not breaking them. Again, watch looney tunes or ren and stimpy.
I never said that there was only one proper way to do the facial expressions, I just said there were right and wrong ways do draw them. You keep countering points that I never made, and once again, you never gave any examples of facial expressions that look better by ignoring anatomy. You just keep saying that ignoring anatomy can lead to better facial expressions without backing it up, and you keep ignoring every time I point that out. You also ignore a lot of my other points, and You also make a lot of claims without backing them up with actual evidence and without explaining yourself, like.
You actually did, word for word. “Some of the storyboard artists don’t know how to properly construct facial expressions.” That’s literally a statement of them lacking the knowledge.
If it’s effective, and would not be more effective by being “properly constructed”, then there’s no merit in them being properly constructed in this instance. Them being effective is the entire point.
No, the “excuse” to ignore proper construction is that the faces are better for it. Distortion of anatomy is not automatically superior to ignoring it, when wielded by skilled animators in a situation like this, and often limits what they can do.
You implied it when you said that them ignoring proper construction is a bad thing, and entertainment ability, which it didn’t negatively impact, is the only thing it could have been bad thing for.
I said this set of facial expressions, not the sets in those posts. Regardless, even in the case of that image, the people that didn’t like them are in the extreme minority compared to those that did. Also, I noticed that you were in one of those images, saying that faces like that one “are to be expected” in a cartoon. Did you change your mind?
No it wouldn’t, because many of the fans enjoy the more extreme faces partially because they’re so anatomy breaking. Reigning them in would reduce their appeal to many.
I’m saying that the fact that there’s a “right” way and a “wrong” way is not inherently connected to the entertainment value of the face, and in the hands of skilled artists, a face being constructed improperly does not make it worse than a face being constructed properly. And yes, not restricting yourself to proper construction greatly expands the number of expressions you can make; that’s a literal consequence of adding more possible expressions to the usable pool.
I’m not sure I’d consider this defensive, but it’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people thing that there’s only one proper way to do something, even when doing it “improperly” can lead to equal or superior results.
(I apologize for not using quote blocks like you did, but I’m not entirely sure even how to make them, as the syntax quick reference doesn’t mention them).
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Yes, I did, but I never said they didn’t know the rules, just that they’re not using them properly.
Again, I never said this facial expression was ineffective, just that it was poorly constructed. Don’t skim my posts.
So what? That’s not an excuse to completely ignore it, and when did I say anything about accuracy? The expressions I pointed out as well-constructed are not at all accurate, but they understand anatomy and distort it rather than ignoring it. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
When did I say they failed at doing that?
https://derpiboo.ru/1240773#comment_5384514
https://derpiboo.ru/1143034?scope=scpe609b899cf9a2336035264f019d53ca0023f6dbf5
No, They would look different, but whey would still achieve the same result, just drawn differently.
That is not true at all. Like I said, you can morph the faces while still using construction and anatomy, and there’s a right way and a wrong way do create distorted facial expressions. Watch looney tunes or ren and stimpy. And are you saying that real people can’t make a variety of unique facial expressions?. Because you are implying that by saying that anatomy restricts expression.
That is true, and should be corrected, but those are the only problems with those facial expressions, and it’s not to the same extent as this one, and don’t forget about the one not from MLP.
Why are you getting so defensive anyway?
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You literally said that the storyboard artists need to learn how to construct proper faces in your original post. If that’s not accusing them of not knowing the rules, then nothing is.
In a cartoon like this where said facial expressions are literally intended to entertain viewers via how endearingly ridiculous is, popular opinion is not only not “meaningless”, but is the only important things. They’re not trying to impress anatomy artists, nor are they trying to win any awards for accuracy; they’re trying to entertain, and I have literally not seen a single criticism (other than yours) of this set of facial expressions (some criticize that they’re making Fluttershy the one to do them, but none of them criticize the expressions themselves).
You can’t get these facial expressions without disregarding hard rules for anatomy because they’d be different facial expressions had they followed them. Many people absolutely love the show’s tendancy to put in more and more ridiculous faces as the seasons have gone by, and if the artists limited themselves to only making faces with correct construction, the variety of options they have available is significantly diminished, just by virtue of them having more unnecessary constraints on how they can morphs their faces.
Also, just glancing at those pictures, it’s immediately obvious that the first and third pictures involves their mouths falling off their faces, which breaks one of the rules you accuse the original picture of being bad for breaking.
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I never said the facial expressions were ineffective, but a toddler can draw an easily readable facial expression and it will still not be a good drawing.
Popular opinion is meaningless as most people have no knowledge of drawing and animation principles and thus cannot judge whether or not they’re well drawn, and I have seen a lot of people complaining about them, though they appear to be misidentifying their issues due to their lack of knowledge on the subject.
And I never said that they didn’t know the rules, do not put words in my mouth, all I said was that you have to learn the rules BEFORE you can know how to break them PROPERLY, and there are right and wrong ways to break rules, for example, breaking a rule out of laziness is a bad reason, and breaking it to get a result you couldn’t get by following the rule is a good reason.
And while you seem to claim that breaking rules does allow for results you couldn’t get by following them, you have failed to provide to me any explanation as to why these facial expressions couldn’t be achieved by following basic construction and anatomy. Again, look at the images from MLP I provided.
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And your only reasoning that they haven’t learned the rules is that they broke them, which is logically flawed.
I already know basically everything in that link, and this is definitely a case where they got good results, considering how much the fans loved these faces.