The argument I hear a lot is that, whether we outlawed guns or not, people who wanted them would find a way to get them. So making it illegal would make the upstanding citizens unable to protect themselves from the people who don’t give a fuck.

You see this is where I would totally disagree with that statement but then it’s been pointed out to me that I don’t appreciate USA’s situation.

This is true because I don’t live there and therefore cannot know first hand. All I say is from a Non-American viewpoint which is the reason why people like myself and others around the world criticise US owning guns - albeit without that knowledge.

We directly compare ourselves to the USA and we are like “well if we can do it, then why can’t you do it”.

You see where I live and indeed in Europe pretty much as a whole the whole “protect yourself from other people by owning a gun” is completely nonsensical.

We function here without owning guns, it’s pretty heavily regulated so people can’t own guns and we have very few shootings. In the UK I’m pretty there was one a year or so ago and that was it. No others. So it would seem to support that - I am not saying that this is correct however.

Like here we just surrender our stuff, there is none of this “YOU’RE REMOVING OUR FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS” or any of that shit because we just don’t have it. That to us is a non-factor.

We also don’t need to defend ourselves and that’s the whole thing. If my house was getting robbed and I wake up and the guy is standing there with a gun (which I will point out basically never happens here) I would just let him take all the shit and phone the police. Insurance would probably cover a lot of the losses.

However what confuses us about the states is that you think you have to have some sort of stand off and not let them take anything risking your own lives. Maybe you don’t have insurance, maybe your policing system will do nothing - I don’t know. That’s how that shit rolls here.

So the whole idea of having to defend or whatever is just a non-issue here.

The USA is a totally different place to here. It’s weird sometimes to think of English speaking places with different cultures and ideals but between Ireland and USA we are way different, in social norms etc. which is why sometimes stuff I say on here can seem a bit weird or extreme.

Like maybe you have serious crime problems or huge numbers of sociopaths or whatever. That shit just doesn’t happen here, people don’t roll around with guns and kill other people in gang wars - very usually the Troubles here is an exception but that was basically a civil war and not just a random one off of some guys gunning people down.

…and to people here our view would be generally that well we have virtually no shootings and we don’t give out guns therefore that’s the solution. That’s just the way it is. Even illegal gun ownership is not such a problem here.

You just have a unique scenario and in that I can get frustrated and be like “you are all fucking idiots with your guns, you give guns and then people get shot and then you cry about it rinse and repeat”.

That is not particularly fair but I would honestly say that although you may need guns that the fact that gun ownership is legal that it would still have at least some relevance into shootings.

If you think that gun availability isn’t even slightly related to shootings then there is something wrong with you.

>Ban guns

Within a few days of the Orlando shooting, there was an attempted second shooting where someone started opening fire, but a legal concealed-carry gun owner shot the shooter, and nobody died instead of 50, despite the shooter shooting into a crowd. Yet this is all the news said

If you really want to stop shootings, arm people so they can defend themselves and each other, don’t disarm them, because, for example, weed is illegal yet everywhere. So even if illegal, guns will still be in the hands of criminals - just not in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

10 more examples of mass killings that were stopped by armed citizens

I care, that’s why I say we need more people to be armed. There will always be bad people trying to kill innocent people - sometimes more, sometimes less. But having good defenders of the innocent, ready to protect whenever needed, never hurts.

Of course you can’t protect others in a no-gun zone, though. But that won’t stop a shooter from walking into one with a gun.

Also, cities like Washington D.C, Detroit, San Fransisco - name the cities with the strictest gun laws, and you’ll find the cities with the highest gun crime. They know their potential victims aren’t armed and can’t defend themselves. But even if you don’t believe that, that’s undeniable proof that those laws aren’t working to make those cities safer.