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Yes she had an interest in magic and was a major book worm but they showed us that she was absolutely talentless in magic. We wasn’t even able to properly turn a page and since this school is for gifted unicorn and that the entrance exam is to hatch an egg at that young age alone show that Twilight would have been nothing without RD.
But if we take your reasoning with the six element.
Loyalty > Laugther, Honesty, Generosity, Kindness
Magic > Loyalty, Laugther, Honesty, Generosity, Kindness
But that Loyalty > Magic, then you get something truly beautiful.
It mean that Loyalty is infinite since it spawned its own higher rank. Its like if take the God Paradox. Can a God create something so big and massive that he cannot destroy it? If yes then it prove he can even do better then himself but at the same time prove that he isn’t god
This mean that if Loyalty is stronger then Magic but Loyalty spawned magic. Loyalty is infinite. And The speed of light is the ultimate speed right? If you go at the speed of light, most theory say that you stop time and if you go further you will go back in time.
Rainbow’s Speed is enough to break the light spectrum… Which mean that her very magic can affect the speed of light. This mean that RD’s magic is infinite and in the fan animation Double Rainboom it even prove that further more, A double Rainboom make her travel through space and time.
Ok excluding the Fan animation. It would mean that Loyalty is stronger then anything and really… If you think about it. It is. You can break an honest person to lie, you can brutalize a person tot the point you break kindness. You can easily break Generosity and Magic can simply be stronger then your own but it is impossible to break someone’s loyalty if this loyalty is pure unless you alter that person’s mind with magic.
Loyalty is when someone will put their own live behind the life of the one they are loyal to. Loyalty isn’t a mood like Laughter or simply a Trait of character like Kindness or Honesty. Its a valor. Its a belief. Its valuating others life more then your own and its the strongest belief. Even if the one you are loyal too turn around and end up being against you. Someone truly loyal will still try to help that person.
Its why its a lightning bolt. Electricity travel at the speed of light and is hotter then anything. Even a small quantity can burn sand to glass. If you were to take all element like Water fire and such. If you get example all the element to the highest threatening level of water, a Tsunami. Earth/Stone/Rock will simply flatten everything, Fire will give you a really big fire and burn a lot of things. Wind will simply blow away everything. Electricity, every one in its way will die. Everything that is electronic based will explode. It will also make every flammable thing catch on fire just like if it was simply fire. Everyone that even touch that lightning will die while on the fire side people would survive.
Even if you take that to a small level. example A tennis ball. Rock will hurt, wind do nothing. Fire will burn a bit then you take it off and Electricity, well you have a small chance to survive. Water… nothing happen, you are wet and wind… well it will be even less stronger then you blowing in someone’s face. Lets not forget the speed of each thing that will hit you. No matter what Electricity will always be instantaneous while the others take time, enough to dodge it.
Loyalty alias Red Lightning Stone is greater then Magic.
It could just be that loyalty was the element best suited to bring them all together in the first place.
Here’s the tricky part. If the Element of Loyalty and the other 4 elements are subservient to the Element of Magic, but Twilight’s potential and the other’s potential of the Mane 6 are subservient to Dash’s potential, the potential that unlocked all 6 Element’s destinies…
..then the reason is NOT because Dash is the Element of Loyalty.
That’s the REEEEALY confusing part. If destiny isn’t the key, then one of the only other possibilities is heritage.
You noticed what I noticed as well about Twilight!!… Twilight SHOULD of had an affinity with magic when she was younger, like scooter-biking, singing and constructing with the CMC… but she didn’t, and the center of her Cutie Mark doesn’t seem to be her’s, but the Element of Magic’s, if we are to take the Tree of Harmony seriously.
Truth be told, I once had a theory that RD isn’t sealing away her excess energy, but all of that excess energy accidentally went to Twilight in the form of magical energy….the reason why she can’t control her own power when most unicorns can.
I don’t put much stock in that theory anymore, just seemed too much like Twilight’s living high off of Rainbow Dash’s abilities….which is TECHNICALLY true since RD got Twilight her cutie mark leaading her to become a princess, but either way its a little much.
I think its far more likely that being the Element of Magic is like being the Avatar…you have access to an untold amount of magic once you are chosen, but learning how to control it is a whole other story. One clue we have is that Twilight’s full potential magic seems to be identical to the Harmony-charged Clover the Clever…Twilight’s forebearer and the first person to discover the literal ‘Magic of Friendship’ with Pansy and Smart Cookie. (Celestia sort of lied when she said Twilight was the first to discover it)
I am almost positive the 6 forebearers and Starswirled were responsible for creating the Tree of Harmony and marking it with Celestia and Luna’s cutie marks so they could use them. The 6 forebearers built Equestria and likely raised Celestia and Luna when they were “born” since they were the First Princesses (and flag) of the new Kingdom, Equestria. I know this is headcanon, but its simply what I’ve been able to surmise.
As for RD being a unicorn from the beginning… Either way, the result would be almost the same. Being an athlete is in her blood, and unlike Fluttershy, she wouldn’t be Rainbow Dash if she wasn’t a pegasi or even an earth pony, or at least not fulfilled. She might like the idea of magic initially, but its far from her passion. The first race swaps she asked for were Griffon or Dragon. (can’t say I blame her) The first spells she would try to learn as a unicorn is artificially create wings strong enough for pegasi flight. Even if she didn’t, she’d still train to be the fastest unicorn in Equestia. And into adulthood, she would likely create a mini-Harmony Blaster spell that would turn Shining Armor’s shield into pieces. If one can make Captain of the Guards with a single perfected spell, Shining Armor would of had some fierce competition. A super athletic unicorn with a spell of rainbow destruction possibly even stronger then this, especially if she doesn’t lock away her potential?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdkMmtHjyM
That’s scary as all hell. Especially since it was just recently established that even the current RD is strong enough without magic to fight hoof-to-hoof with Celestia herself, who’s outragously strong magically and physically.
I checked in a later episode about the animation thing, because I couldn’t remember if that’s true or not.
Curiously it seemed the opposite. In both Sonic Rainboom and Canterlot Wedding Part 2, the after effect of a normal sonic rainboom is simply a large constant streak of energy behind Rainbow Dash that doesn’t move around at all.
When filly Rainbow Dash did the Giant Sonic Rainboom, the trail was actually moving as if it was ethereal hair, like Celestia and Luna. While it still causes a large trail behind it like the normal one, at the base its definitely ethereal. Heck rewatching the scene it was FLAPPING IN THE WIND!
(shrug) Either way its not exactly decisive. We won’t know the difference until we have a clear cut reason WHY RD’s power was so enormous back then but needed more then a decade to do a normal Sonic Rainboom. It is a complete fact that we don’t. (But as I will continue with, RD’s powers ARE mysterious.)
Well for the trail its simple, the first time they did show the rainboom in the show she was adult and the mane didn’t blend with the trail but the second time was when she was filly and they did it. The animation was also better. The trail is part of the Rainboom its the after effect.
And yes she would be more powerful. Twilight stated that nopony can alter or give a cutie mark. But Twilight did with the help of a spell to alter them and Rainbow Gave cutie mark to all her friend even before all that. And Twilight had no special magical ability before the Rainboom affect her.
But what i was saying wasn’t if she become a Unicorn but if she was a Unicorn from the Beginning. Sure she would have struggled to learn magic but her magic power would be far beyond Twilight can do now.
I see we can finally see eye to eye on enough aspects :)
Considering the speed she was going, its pretty much impossible to tell if it was simply esthetic trail effect, as you said, or if it was intentionally the mane effect going high speed for that one time because of the sheer alicorn level power of the Giant Sonic Rainboom. Which is true? Who can say? Both are extremely possible.
I have to say I definitely agree on the unicorn RD thing. RD is physical and athletic by nature, so even the most common spells would be against her nature, but on the other hand, magic is also a matter of will and power.
If RD was turned into a unicorn, she might struggle with the simple aspect of using telekinesis on a cup cause it goes against her physical nature…
…but the second she becomes frustrated or desperate to stop something, she might release an enormous level of magical energy from her horn, more then Twilight’s ever managed, in the form of a Sonic Rainboom magical blast, like a portable Harmony Blaster but without the sealing effects.
RD didn’t get a slowing mane it was just a tail effect that look better if you make the mane part of the trail. Its just esthetic. But i do agree that a Rainboom Is extremely concentrated in magic and i also personally think that if she was a Unicorn, and with the same amount of magic she have to be able to do a Rainboom. She would be much more powerful the Twilight.
Oh Twilight’s strong by human standards, but she hasn’t gotten much stronger. Heck she was able to push and briefly carry Tom in Return to Harmony. But most of the Mane 6 have shown higher levels of physical strength then Twilight.
I’m not sure about Rarity though, although I know Rarity is a better physical fighter and she seems to have excellent skills in traditional self-defense and fisticuffs. :)
Well, Twilight did physically carry 5 ponies on her back in episode 3 of season 4 (Castle Mania). Not sure how it stacks up to pure earth pony strength, but I’d imagine that stronger than she used to be.
Your old question was “Why does she have royal horse show and glittery mane then?”
My statement was
“In my opinion, any horned fusion with Rainbow Dash would have a flowing alicorn mane like Celestia and Luna. Rainbow Dash had a flowing mane briefly when she was a demigod-like infant who made a Sonic Rainboom.”
You stated “As for the Rainboom, it was just the Rainbow Trail merged with her mane for a better effect.”, which I argued against.
That’s one of the subjects we are talking about, the subject we’re currenly on.
I believe that if RD was fused with someone to make an alicorn, she would have a flowing mane by 1) the sheer amount of power, raw or magical, that compares to Celestia and Luna, and 2) Her body had enough power as a child to create flowing mane and create a giant Sonic Rainboom, a fusion should be enough to show that power again.
Although I agree with you completely on one thing..if RD is not a pegasi AND an earth pony, the fusion with Rarity or unicorn Twi would just be a horned pegasi, not an alicorn.
…although to be fair, neither Cadense nor Twilight seem to have increased earth pony strength as alicorns, but then again neither of them are athletes or physical fighters.
Anyway, my stance on ‘RD’s magical power’ is just that she has an enormous amount of raw energy in her body, definitely connected to the Elements of Harmony, but not practical for magic use, especially since she’s not a unicorn.
What does this have to do with anything and now you are comming on the RD’s magical power territory. Its not even the main focus…
*My primary point is that NOBODY knows how Dash created a Giant Sonic Rainboom when she was a child.
1)’Cadense was a Pegasus’ is an empty non-factual statement. We’ve been over this. I can give you a direct reference where IDW comics are stated exclusively to be approved by the FiM writing team as canon unless proven otherwise.
If you can find a reference where M.A. Larson confirms that Cadense was a pegasi, you’re golden. I haven’t seen that though.
In fact, I recall a tweet where someone asked her if anything from the novellas could be considered canon, and she responded ‘undecided.’
For example, while the writers did decide that Pinkie would have an older sister (not sure which came up with it first), she was not working at the rock farm at the time, making that part of the book non-canon. And don’t get me started on how badly-written they portrayed Gilda and Trixie, which also did not fit in with the timeline or character backstory.
2) As for your statement on alicorns, that’s obvious. Only immortal alicorns with the full wavy hair are true god-tier alicorns. Mortal alicorns, like artificial alicorns and mortal female niece’s, grand-nieces, etc… and have both large wings, large bodies, and enhanced unicorn level magic, not godly. (Artificial alicorns are obviously going to be less huge due to genetics, Twilight would only grow significantly bigger if they tried to turn her into an immortal alicorn.) That’s why Princesses are given royal authority and Prince Blueblood was not. Only a princess may rule, and princesses are alicorns in Celestia’s era, even as far back as the ‘Crystal Princess’ the unknown pony the Crystal Ponies confused Cadense as.
The last unicorn princess we know of was before Celestia, Princess Platinum.
Cadense is not a well trained magic user, but she was able to erect a love barrier the size of the crystal empire that wards off evil. It was taxing, but without super training, such a feat would be absolutely impossible for a unicorn. However, unicorn Twilight and Star-Swirled are likely far more powerful wizards overall then Cadense. That’s pretty obvious, one being the trained Element of Magic and one being the Gandalf of Equestria.
My point is, while mortal alicorns like Cadense overall have more magic then an average unicorn, there is a drastic difference in power between mortal alicorns and godly alicorns. Godly alicorns are represented with both great size and ethereal hair. The comics explained that Luna’s form when she was first released by Nightmare Moon was her weakened, mortal-alicorn form, the same size and power range as Cadense.
My point is, NOBODY knows how Dash created a Giant Sonic Rainboom when she was a child. The only Rainboom ever created bigger then that one, one created by horn not force, was Celestia combining her powers with all 6 elements at once to seal nightmare moon. If a filly was able to create a Rainboom that could be felt all across central Equestria, its really not a big surprise her hair turned godly at that moment. In terms of power at that moment, Filly RD>>>Princess Cadense.
Ok but still. Cadence was a Pegasus and being an Alicorn doesn’t instantly put you on god tier.
I was amending my statement here
“which would make sense since she’s an alicorn princess born and raised in Canterlot”
It was an inaccurate statement because we don’t know if Cadense was born an alicorn and raised in Canterlot, its just very likely given the evidence of the show and the novella not worth anything. That’s why I added the word ‘likely’ along with some additional stuff. Like Rarity’s initial statement on Twilight becoming an alicorn BEFORE Celestia declared her a princess.
What?
Also, to be fair, we know jack-squat about pegasi breeding outside of Pound Cake. Another weird thing to be true by the end of Season 4. We have 3 main pegasi characters, Rainbow Dash, Fluttersy and Scootaloo, and we don’t have a complete set of any of their parents. We only have a flashback of someone who’s probably Dash’s (likely deceased) father. (Unless he hates going to her public events or something :/)
I thought so on the 1000 years part.
The writers stated only the IDW comics are legit semi-canon stuff. Anything else like the marketing-team novellas are unapproved by the writing team, so Cadense being a pegasi is officially bunk.
Also only females are alicorns, heck alicorn wasn’t even a term until S3 because of this. Its a weird aspect, but nobody accused Equestria of having gender equality….4/5ths of the population are female and the only royalty with authority are princesses. At Twilight’s coronation as the 4th princess, I don’t think Blueblood was even invited. They even clearly stated in PTS part 1 that Blueblood did not have any royal authority, he wasn’t even considered.
I mean its kind of obvious since she’s normal female alicorn size, not alicorn Twilight size. :/ Heck even in the show she states outloud she’s not a natural flyer, which would make sense since she’s an alicorn princess born and raised in Canterlot, not a pegasi raised in the boonies or in Cloudsdale.
We’ll have to wait on something from the show or IDW to establish her backstory, but since Twilight wasn’t adopted as her niece and both Twilight and Marketing-Cadense already had parents, we can pretty much put the whole pegasi Cadense idea to bed as inconsistant marketing stuff. Its a BIIIIG list from the marketing department. The same marketing novellas wrote Trixie and Gilda as generic villains with no personality from the show.
“it was just the Rainbow Trail merged with her mane for a better effect” is not a statement that can be said with any fact, reliability or evidence. It’s complete speculation on the Giant Rainboom and the hair effect on RD, ESPECIALLY since not only is it the core event in all 6’s backstory, it was an event intentionally mentioned foreshadowed 6 episodes prior. For an episodic show…that’s rare.
We officially do not have a single explanation on why filly Rainbow Dash can create a 5x bigger Rainboom then current RD. Until we find out RD’s full backstory, we can only theorize. She was treated like a freak and a loser in flight camp, so she likely locked away a lot of her strength through mental blocks. When a kid shows super potential as a kid, that’s usually how it works in a lot of western and eastern shows.
For example, Teenage Clark Kent defeated Braniac a lot easier then adult Superman cause he hadn’t formed his mental blocks for fighting yet.
Heh, can you imagine how strong RD would be if she unlocked those mental blocks as an adult?
Oops i meant 1000 not 2000. My bad.
Also Blueblood isn’t an Alicorn and Cadance was a Pegasus before… So just no on that.
As for the Rainboom, it was just the Rainbow Trail merged with her mane for a better effect.
I’m ok with RD having some Earth pony but it doesn’t make much sense because a lot of ponies in MLP aren’t pure bread.
According to her physical size and the actual non-marketing writers, Cadense was born a princess alicorn like Blueblood, but she simply isn’t as powerful as her immortal aunts.
Don’t recall TWO millenia ever being mentioned about Celestia and Luna…they weren’t around at most 1100 years ago according to Hearts Warming Eve. When was 2 millenia hinted?
In my opinion, any horned fusion with Rainbow Dash would have a flowing alicorn mane like Celestia and Luna. Rainbow Dash had a flowing mane briefly when she was a demigod infant who made a Sonic Rainboom.
Plus who knows, maybe RD does have some earth pony in her somehow. She has the combined stamina and strength of a pegasi and an earth pony, and she was a part timer at the farm according to AJ in the 3rd episode.
Maybe Because Twilight is max 21 years old and Cadance 31 while Luna and Celestia are at least 2000 years old and unlike Twi and Cadance they were born Alicorn.
So? Why should this imaginary alicorn be more powerful than those two?