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I’m pretty sure you can buy Flecktarn outside Europe.
Well, despite being relatively recent event, WW2 and its history is quite a… controversial topic even for professional historians. So, it is entirely possible that I made some mistakes in my statements. Poor wording from my part haven’t helped the matter either… But anyway I’m glad that we finally understand each other!
Much of what you linked also supported my arguments as well. The Soviets were not expecting the attack in ‘41, but in ‘42 - as evidenced by the first quote. You did, however, neglect the fact of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact’s influence therein. Furthermore, right there in that wiki page, they make reference to the Soviet’s suspicions of American/ British misinformation.
On the other hand, I will concede that I see where you are coming from and will admit that you are not wrong either…though perhaps not wholly right either.
I’m pretty confident in my knowledge of WW2 history, thank you. Let’s look at the Wikipedia article related. Just some quotes:
“In the Soviet Union, speaking to his generals in December 1940, Stalin mentioned Hitler’s references to an attack on the Soviet Union in Mein Kampf and that Hitler believed the Red Army would need four years to ready itself. Stalin declared “we must be ready much earlier” and “we will try to delay the war for another two years””
“In early 1941, Stalin’s own intelligence services and American intelligence gave regular and repeated warnings of an impending German attack. Russian spy Richard Sorge also gave Stalin the exact German launch date, but Sorge and other informers had previously given different invasion dates that passed peacefully before the actual invasion. Stalin acknowledged the possibility of an attack in general and therefore made significant preparations, but decided not to run the risk of provoking Hitler.”
“In early 1941 Stalin authorized the State Defense Plan 1941 (DP-41), which along with the Mobilization Plan 1941 (MP-41), called for the deployment of 186 divisions, as the first strategic echelon, in the four military districts of the western Soviet Union that faced the Axis territories; and the deployment of another 51 divisions along the Dvina and Dnieper rivers as the second strategic echelon under Stavka control, which in the case of a German invasion was tasked to spearhead a Soviet counteroffensive along with the remaining forces of the first echelon. But on 22 June 1941 the first echelon only contained 171 divisions, numbering 2.6–2.9 million; and the second strategic echelon contained 57 divisions that were still mobilizing, most of which were still seriously understrength.”
As I previously said, Soviets anticipated the invasion and enmassed their forces to confront it, they just haven’t expected it to begin so early.
P.S. If you see any problem with my grammar/syntax, please consider to point the exact mistakes. Any constructive criticism on the matter would be appreciated.
First, I’m having a hard time understanding you, because of your grammar and syntax. Second, I think you should consider polishing up on your WWII history. The USSR High Command was frightened by the build up, but Stalin did not believe that Hitler would attack so soon after signing the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact…his paranoia made him think it was English/ American spies trying to incite a war between the two, and not an actual threat. Thus, when Barbarossa began, the Soviets were woefully unprepared to deal with the Wehrmacht’s assault.
Are you serious?! How the hell losses that explicitly stated to be result of the war is even connected to the Stalin’s internal purges? Also, Soviet government actually anticipated Nazi attacking, they just don’t expect them being so fast on it. That actually explains such a big losses at the beginning of the war: there was a huge military power concentrated on border that was taken completely by surprise, just like Arabian forces at the beginning of 6-days war.
Most of those 27 million were self-inflicted, thanks to Stalin’s purges and his “Not one step back!” policy. Oh, also, negligence. For the first few days of the war, Stalin didn’t even believe that Hitler would betray him, and thus did nothing, effectively crippling his military.
Wow, this are some fancy numbers you have here! Problem is: Soviet casualties, according to Wikipedia, amount to 27,000,000 deaths (more than 2/3 of them are civilians). So, in comparison to Nazis, Soviets were pretty time on the matter…
Alright. First, we were not technically at war with the Empire of Japan, when Pearl Harbor was attacked. Because of the Japanese delegation taking too long to translate their declaration of war, the US government didn’t receive it until after the attack. Thus, Pearl Harbor was a sneak-attack during a time of peace. Second, research “Operation Downfall”, conservative estimates place Japanese casualties at 1.7 million - the bomb was a blessing for the Japanese. Also, the fire-bombing of Tokyo killed somewhere around a quarter-million. Third, you neglected to mention the horrid list of Japanese war-crimes perpetrated on all the allies (the USSR included) during WWII.
Next, before you get on your high-horse and accuse my country of causing some war-crimes, let’s take a look at the USSR… 200,000 Estonians, 780,000 Latvians, 100,000 Polish, 3,500 Finish, 270,000 Germans, 38,000 Hungarians…All died as the Red-Army rolled into said countries during WWII. These are only the ones we know about and do not include the hundreds-of-thousands that are officially “missing”…
TL;DR: Careful who you call a “Terrorist”, lest your own hypocrisy be thrown back at you.
>raped their way to berlin?
u wot m8?
>forget the gulags?
that’s internal policy
VICTORY IMMORTAL that’s what they get, backstabbers.
Are you going to ignore how the red horde raped their way to berlin? Or forget the gulags?
I’m not going to get too into this, but no nation is bloodless.
>Wiki:Attack on Pearl Harbor
In total, 2,403 Americans died and 1,178 were wounded. Of those, 68 civilians were killed and 35 wounded.
>AtomicArchive:The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
199000 as established by the Manhattan Engineer District
>Wiki:Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Hiroshima:
20,000+ soldiers killed
70,000–146,000 civilians killed
Nagasaki:
39,000–80,000 killed
Total: 129,000–246,000+ killed
Screw your “paying for crimes”. Bloody nation of terrorists.
I know. What does he have to be sour about? We won. That would be like us (Americans) being sour with the Japanese…I think we made them pay for their crimes. Time to leave the past in the past.
he’s talking about the germans
“…but WWII” what? We won WWII. The USSR took over half of Europe as your prize. What, do you hate winning?
As a Russian i have a weird love/hate relationship with flecktarn. It’s quite effective (at least IMO) and looks rather nice, but WW2 :<
I was about to comment on that myself =P
Some units of the VDV and FSB have been seen using a copy of flecktarn and the Russian izlom pattern is very similar, if the camo works well it makes sense that others would copy it. Multicam started as camo for the US army in 02’ but now it is used by countries across the world because it just works.
As for the moon runes, maybe the artist has friends/followers that are Chinese?
Russian flag. New Lunar Republic insignia. German Flecktarn camo. Chinese characters.
It has nothing to do with the fact that I am American, it has everything to do with the fact that this artist had no idea what they were doing when they threw the random features of this picture together…none whatsoever.
-Chinese text
What even.
Pretty much this.