Oh my god you people…

@CrashGordon94  
I’m still up over the fact that you were Essentializing the changelings. It’s a logical fallacy that you had no basis to defend. Your black and white way of thinking is pretty appalling.
 
Here is the definition of this:  
Essentializing:  
A fallacy that proposes a person or thing “is what it is and that’s all that it is,” and at its core will always be the way it is right now (E.g., “All terrorists are monsters, and will still be terrorist monsters even if they live to be 100.”). Also refers to the fallacy of arguing that something is a certain way “by nature,” an empty claim that no amount of proof can refute. (E.g., “Americans are cold and greedy by nature,” or “Women are better cooks than men.”) See also “No Discussion.”

@C Money  
Ninja’d me.
 
but yeah that I’m outta here.

@CrashGordon94  
Oh my gods I have backed my stuff up with proof you just fucking ignore it and then say shit like what you just said as if I never showed anything.
 
I changed my opinion from they are most likely all good and were just following chrysalis’s lead to a select few are probably good that is a change.
 
You are one of the most frustrating individuals I have ever met I have never had a conversation be so one sided as you are seriously everything you say is exactly the same you ignore evidence and you never change anything about your stance even when it no longer holds up.
 
I will keep calling you a brick wall till you show me otherwise and I have shown multiple pieces of evidence and you have provided nothing that shows me all changelings are evil so how about you start showing me some evidence since I already did.
 
Hell I don’t even care about this changeling shit anymore seriously who gives a fuck now it’s just about how much you frustrate me and act like a oblivious prick now.

@CrashGordon94  
Yeah, I’m a just speak for Pagan:
 

@Pagan  
You shouldn’t because it’s blatantly incorrect, immature, unnecessary and pointless.  
Next, demand things from you like you’re my lackey? No, all the “demands” related to this were for you to back your stuff up, respond to the points I make and refrain from a pointless and stupid insult. Those are requirements for anyone participating in a debate, if you don’t like it then never argue with anyone ever again.
 
And quite frankly I haven’t seen you change your mind about a damn thing since this started, at least I acknowledged your proof. Saying it’s not completely 100% conclusive is not ignoring it, I still accepted it and I still cut that part of the argument down after you showed it.  
Whereas you kept calling me a “brick wall” and a racist constantly and NEVER relented…

@CrashGordon94  

 
And why shouldn’t I keep calling you what you’re acting like also all you have done is demand things from me like I’m your lackey I’ll call you what I want.
 
Secondly no I’m not I even admitted that most are evil I thought logically and changed my views accordingly which is the exact opposite of what you are doing hence a brick wall.
 
I’m done this is going no where.

@Pagan  
Except I never said that. Like, anywhere.
 
Who’s the “brick wall” now? Certainly not the guy who just accepted the proof basically.  
Maybe the one who’s resorting to petty insults and ignoring things, and can’t even grasp something as simple as an instruction to stop hurling insults and that a vague similarity between two things doesn’t make them identical.

@CrashGordon94  
Brick. Fucking. Wall.
 
I’m done you are so one sided in this I officially can’t stand it anymore I provide literal fucking proof and all I get is “the writers are wrong they don’t know what they are talking about my headcanons are proof enough.”

First off, what part of “stop the ‘brick wall’ crap” are you not getting? Your post would not be diminished in any way if you left it out. But now onto the actual meat of the argument?
 
@Pagan  
There we go, some actual proof! Why didn’t you just post this to start with?  
Still wouldn’t say it’s utterly conclusive (Could be tricking her for some sort of underhanded purpose) but that’s certainly something that actually has meaning and does point to what you seem to be suggesting so I will drop that part of the argument.
 
Now…  
@Pagan  
“As I already said small cameos and subtle plot devices are proof for this show AJ’s dead parents is a good example but you just ignored it like everything else.”  
No, I debunked it. A small cameo is just a small cameo, this being My Little Pony doesn’t suddenly change that universal fact.  
Writers giving Word Of God however? Yeah, that’s actual proof. THAT’S the thing regarding AJ’s parents that proves it, and that’s what you should’ve focused on with this argument from the beginning.
 
“Your argument sounds a lot like if your biological father was a rapist then you have no right to live, screw the individuals blame the whole majority yeah that’s a good outlook on things.”  
Then clearly you weren’t listening. It had nothing to do with blaming one individual for something another individual did, it had to do with judging groups based on traits legitimately inherent to the group.  
Treating evil monsters as evil monsters is really more like assuming a Christian worships Jesus Christ or that a Brony enjoys the show My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. It ceases to be an ill-informed prejudice when it’s legitimately inherent to the group. And if said thing is negative, you can’t call discriminating against that bigotry.

@CrashGordon94  

 

@CrashGordon94  
“he could be planning something awful and there for some underhanded purpose”
 
This was already addressed Hasbro changed the canon and made it so there was no army or underhanded plans there even tweets from the writers that say he was invited by matilda.
 
No fuck you we’re not getting into comic is canon bullshit there are multiple tweets from writers that say it is and it isn’t so no we’re not doing that I don’t want to be here all night.
 
As I already said small cameos and subtle plot devices are proof for this show AJ’s dead parents is a good example but you just ignored it like everything else.
 
Your argument sounds a lot like if your biological father was a rapist then you have no right to live, screw the individuals blame the whole majority yeah that’s a good outlook on things.
 
Also ahem brick wall.

@Pagan  
Drop the “brick wall” crap, seriously.
 
No, no you haven’t. You haven’t explained why this momentary cameo (which is what I presume you’re referring to as it’s the only thing even close to “proof” you’ve given) is an any way conclusive proof that there are good ones. Whereas I’ve explained why it ISN’T conclusive proof: To summarize, he doesn’t do anything. He could be harmless or he could be planning something awful and there for some underhanded purpose. Given nothing to suggest either (unless you take the cut invasion scene mentioned, which would nail it in as the latter) so it’s not proof for or against. As for proof that they ARE just evil? Every other canon appearance shows them that way (you admitted the debut, but there’s also the comics you threw aside despite them being stated to be canon unless the show contradicts them, and for the reasons previously mentioned this doesn’t contradict them).
 
And for the racism thing all you have is cutting out all the relevant specific details to leave the bare-bones generality. Which as mentioned doesn’t prove anything any more than a cop arresting the kidnapper is the same as said kidnapper because they both captured people and held them against their will (I have more examples beyond that and “Hot Double D fingering”). I just explained in detail why it’s meaningless and you have yet to connect the dots between the SPECIFICS rather than just giving a misleading summary.
 
There you go, address that instead of calling me names.

@CrashGordon94  
BUT I HAVE! then you just say the same fucking thing over and over again.
 
I provide proof and references and all I get is “hur dur they all evil because I say so.” Despite no evidence presented.
 
BRICK WALL.

@Pagan  
As I said, stop saying that.  
It’s nothing more than an insult and a flimsy excuse to just brush off points.  
I explained myself in detail with points you haven’t addressed.

@CrashGordon94  
~ Brick wall ~

@Pagan  
“not all of them.”  
Oh yes, got to remember all the good ones they’ve shown us!  
Oh wait, there are none.
 
“In this show that’s a lot of evidence”  
Now it’s not, a meaningless cameo that doesn’t really show anything is a meaningless cameo that doesn’t really show anything.
 
“or should I bring up AJ’s parents for reference?”  
No you shouldn’t because that has no relevance to this conversation whatsoever.
 
“But you are.”  
Right, you’re under the impression that I’m some kind of awful person because you can make my genuine and justified hatred of genuinely evil things sound nasty by stripping out all the important details and making it sound vaguely similar. Which in reality proves nothing, that’s just basic wordplay, observe:  
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Just because the description makes it sound dirty doesn’t mean it is, much like just how you can make my justified hate sound evil doesn’t mean it is.

@CrashGordon94
 
“You admit they’re evil and then keep jumping on me for saying they’re evil?”
 
not all of them.
 
“Not to mention I keep going around because you do, constantly going back to how I’m somehow a terrible person for treating evil monsters as evil monsters and treating this momentary cameo as some sort of hard evidence that they’re not evil when it proves nothing at all. He could be planning something nefarious or otherwise there uninvited for some dark purpose, given what was mentioned earlier about the cut invasion scene that seems very likely. So no, it’s not hard evidence that some are okay.”
 
In this show that’s a lot of evidence or should I bring up AJ’s parents for reference?
 
“Not to mention I keep going around because you do, constantly going back to how I’m somehow a terrible person”
 
But you are.

@Pagan  
No, you shouldn’t use it, stop it. Never use it again.
 
You admit they’re evil and then keep jumping on me for saying they’re evil?  
…  
Not to mention I keep going around because you do, constantly going back to how I’m somehow a terrible person for treating evil monsters as evil monsters and treating this momentary cameo as some sort of hard evidence that they’re not evil when it proves nothing at all. He could be planning something nefarious or otherwise there uninvited for some dark purpose, given what was mentioned earlier about the cut invasion scene that seems very likely. So no, it’s not hard evidence that some are okay.

@CrashGordon94  
Nah I like it I think I’ll keep doing it besides I already said changelings are evil but there are some variations of some so yeah you’re the only one here who keeps saying the same thing over and over again like I said a brick wall.

@Pagan  
Could say the same to you, really.
 
You really need to stop with stuff like that.

@CrashGordon94  
Oh hi brick wall it’s good to see you again.

@Pagan  
Yes you can, one split-second cameo really doesn’t say anything at all. Not to mention those previous production notes brought up earlier.