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Okay, those last lines were a bit much, sorry about that :p
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@Millennial Dan  
Time to end this
 
First off; below this a video discussing the comics themselves and their relationship to the show. Here, it is revealed that the comics are always fact checked to make sure they never spoil upcoming story archs in the episode. They are closely monitored in their content for while the show will likely never reference the comics, the comics actively change with the show. This makes the show ‘A’ canon and the comics ‘B’ canon. The higher the letter, the higher the claim of canon. But if no contradiction is made, then A and B are canon equally, even if one doesn’t allude to another.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66acAjq9B1A&feature=youtu.be
 
Next up; A Journal entry from Andy Price about the comics, detailing what to expect from them. Note number four on his list. It is in the same continuity as the show. He says it is only after the show in canon ability, putting it in ‘B’ canon. A note in your favour is that he claims that while he personally says it is canon, it could also be up to the person. However, my previous link to that tweet with Hasbro is set after this and has relative authority to supercede this statement. It’s canon.  
Andy Journal: http://andypriceart.deviantart.com/journal/Important-News-on-the-MLP-Comic-331014657  
Andy ‘Hasbro claims canon’ tweet: https://twitter.com/andypriceart/status/461550768492150784
 
Third; Damnit, I can’t seem to find the quote or link to the writers stating the show canon supersedes the comic canon, but until the show contradicts the comic, the canon is stable (just so I have both corporate and writer statements backing me up). But I think it’s common enough knowledge that the comics aren’t actively effecting the show nor will they be in the forseeable future.
 
Okay, so…your turn. And, you accused me of making up facts, despite the fact I brought evidence you simply disagreed with for no reason other than your own opinion. Irony.
 
Now, I’ve thrown down this gauntlet. Can you give me evidence to say that the comics are not canon in a manner that would supersede the writers and the company that owns the IP? If your response doesn’t have a link in it…I’ll do the courtesy to read it, but not much else.  
This isn’t about ‘viewpoints’, this is about what is and isn’t. Until you have more than your opinion to back up your claims, and I don’t think you will find enough, I think I have won this little *ahem ‘debate’
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@DAPLR  
The “evidence” you bring is completely spurious, and the alternative viewpoint is something you simply dismiss. You want the comics to be “canon” to the continuity of the show, but there is no compelling reason for anyone to think of them in those terms. Believe whatever you want, but facts are not your prerogative to invent.
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You seem to be under the impression that since the comics don’t affect the show, that means they aren’t part of the storyline. While I am under the informed impression that while it is known the show will not make any attempts to coincide with the comics in any form, it is established that while show canon takes precedent, until it contradicts the comics, it is the storyline. Let me put it to you this way.  
Currently, in the canon of MLP, according to the various messages from writers and tweets etc (as they are the ones saying the shows canon takes precedent, but until contradiction, comics are canon) the picture above is what Sombra’s backstory is. Not in it’s own timeline of separate continuity, but the actual lore of the show.  
You have no evidence to support your claims. You are just saying words. I’ll gladly debate with you, but this isn’t an opinion fight. I’ve brought evidence to this, and all you’ve brought is your opinion.
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@DAPLR  
That just isn’t how it works dude. The events of the comics clearly have no bearing on the continuity of the show. It does not matter what Andy Price says, as he is not in any way the spokesman or owner of the story. Even if he was, “Word of god” isn’t even a reliable reference for canonicity in a fictional story. The events of the comics exist in their own little continuity, very much separate from what happens in the TV series. There isn’t even anything to debate here. It’s a lot like the difference between an anime and its corresponding manga. An anime often has filler episodes that are not part of the continuity of the comics. Both are “official”, but they are not the same story. Happens all the time. You’re no doubt going to be obstinate about this, but that’s the way it is.
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@Millennial Dan  
You still don’t have a counter against it. You can be annoyed at how all encompassing the canon is, but that is how it is. What you prefer is one thing, but when it comes to actual clarification, those with the IP have decided that this is how their IP’s canon is dealt with.
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Even the toys are “canon” for all Hasbro can tell. You’re just reaching here. It’s almost like you don’t understand the difference between writer and publisher.
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Not to be derivative(is that even the right word?) but I’ll take Hasbro’s filtered word on what is canon over yours :p
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@DAPLR  
That isn’t actually how it works dude. “Canon” refers to things that happen within a particular continuity, and Hasbro’s comments (filtered through Price, who wants to see his work vindicated) don’t amount to much. The comics are “official”, but that does not make them exist within the same continuity as the show. And they clearly do not.
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Thanks God this isn’t canon
 
Yeah it is. You’re saying, ‘no, it isn’t’, but read this tweet…  
https://twitter.com/andypriceart/status/461550768492150784
 
What has the highest power in dictating canonicity? The company who owns it, just ask Disney about Star Wars :p  
Yeah, if the show says otherwise, it then makes this non canon, but until then, this is part of official MLP Canon
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All good.
 
My default disposition seems to strike many as being on the negative/skeptical side, although I actually don’t set out to hate everything. Concerning recent material, I liked this season’s premier much better than the last two, for example. But dang it, the comics never seem be able to even match the average level of the show for me.
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Ok then, I apologize.
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Like I said, you misread that. Rod said:
Sombrero is such an unoriginal character that it just feels right to me that he should have an unoriginal backstory as dumb as that prolly sounds.
Which sure sounded to me like it was meant to be funny. Give a guy the benefit of a doubt.
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That’s a pretty far reach.
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“I got hit in the eye-rolls rather than the feels. I like your reasoning though, just cuz it’s funny.”
 
I don’t know you sounded kinda passive-aggressive there to me. I’m not bashing your opinions, I’m just asking for you to chill a li’l bit.
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@Beau Skunky  
Now see, this is why we aren’t friends. Whose opinions are being belittled? I think you must have misread my comment, which apparently entitles you and that BP to be condescending.
 
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Originality is the most overrated quality in creative works. What truly matter is the execution, and MLP:FiM still has that down pat.
 
How did someone once put it to me – “Every story has been told before, but it hasn’t been told the way YOU can tell it.”
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@Millennial Dan  
Originality is the most overrated quality in creative works. What truly matter is the execution, and MLP:FiM still has that down pat.
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@Millennial Dan  
Breaking news, mate. There is no plot that is no recycled in some way, better stop reading and watching stuff then.
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Agreed. Millennial Dan is entitled to his opinions, but the hatred/bashing, and belittling others’ opinions is getting old.
 
You see, this is not how you do criticism, people.
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Edgy? Pff, yeah, okay. Redirecting attention to someone’s avatar is pretty cheesy. And much as I’d like to, we probably have little to gain from discussing my little creation and his looks. (Also, procelain? Wut?)
 
@Rod Hungwell  
I got hit in the eye-rolls rather than the feels. I like your reasoning though, just cuz it’s funny.
 
@Starlight Storm  
S5 update: the season opener had a few dumb moments, but it was kind of interesting overall. But the castle episode stunk. It just a recycled a plot we’ve already seen several times now.
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I did just read it. Frankly, it’s a terrible Anakin-Skywalker-all-over-again mess with a lame manufactured conflict. Having no story was pretty bad, but this isn’t much of an improvement.
 
Says the edgy procelain green batpony.  
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Welcome to the Sonic Pony fanbase. Half the people in it aren’t very easily pleased.
 
Only half?
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Now that I’ve read this I couldn’t help but like it honestly, it kinda hit me in the feels and the art was cool. Sombrero is such an unoriginal character that it just feels right to me that he should have an unoriginal backstory as dumb as that prolly sounds.
 
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