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@Whatevs  
Well, actually, one more point: scientific assertions made without evidence can, and should, be set aside without evidence. You have yet to deliver any document supporting your thesis aside from the single-parents issue despite plethora of sources you could quote or link to support it (and you still haven’t pointed out why the study quoted by Texas was irrelevant). At this point, texas has done more due diligence about trying to be factual than you. And Texas rarely goes beyond insulting people by making presumptions of their motivations, so you are failing to jump a pretty low bar.
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@TexasUberAlles  
You are not reading and you are insisting in forgetting the context.
 
First, regsrding SEC: They did account for SEC, what they then clarify is that the SEC doesn’t account for personal issues or failures of the parents. If the numbers hold across all SEC, then the effect is not linked to SEC status. The fact they cannot account for each psychological profile of the parents doesn’t make that assertion go away. You are trying to link two completely different issues in order to use the ambiguity of one to make ambiguous the other while no such assertion exist.
 
Second: context is, as always, everything. They’re describing the whole picture of different economical situations and are not establishing causation between the numbers found and the effects described because, and I quote, “Thus the parents’ socioeconomic status cannot explain why children from one-parent families are doing worse.” You are trying to present a fact they have already pointed to as not having enough statistical backing to direct causation, being merely used to illustrate the whole vareity of single parenthood, as significant when they have already said it’s not.
 
Third: no, it does not, specially when it goes to explain why the argument welfare is causing more single-parent homes is flawed (despite their reasoning for it to be flawed having a few issues, but not here nor there). The rise of single-parenthood as a percentage of the social group has hit mostly well-off groups, as mentioned by them. The fact there are more poor people doesn’t entail that we can then claim the quoted event is the driving force. It’s a widespread, inter-SEC trend which makes thst have no more reason to be causative than other non-causative factors.
 
Fourth: That’s irrelevant. The fact every other wild oyster produces a pearl is not important to the assertion that most oysters will not make a pearl. That assertion can be analyses and verified to no end, and quote as is. Does that mean you can predict the likelihood that a given oyster will have a pearl? No. That’s not how statistics works and it’s why we dismiss anecdotal evidence. But what we can say, within a margin of error, is how many oysters will have pearls in them from a batch of a hundred. And, in this case, statistics tell us it’s worse for children to be in single-parents home, the SEC status of the parents involved has a not statistically significant effect on the incidence of these problems, and widows for reason that cannot be ascertained due to lack of information (the previously mentioned psychological profile comes to mind) seem to have a lower but still noticiable effect on the long-term outcome of children. Other raw data might lead to other results, but if you are to grab the report (and read the data they are based upon by getting the book mentioned at the end), that’s the conclusion with the ever present disclaimer, “of this incomplete dataset.” Also, your quote implies nothing about success and all about prevalence.
 
And if you are to attack the sourced as biased, do look up what the Prospect is and what other articles they posted in the same time period. Or just the ones currently on their front page. For now, night.
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@TexasUberAlles  
You’re raising the bar.  
At first you were insistent that it was money. Now it’s just shitty behavior in general?
 
Here’s a theory: the people are single mothers tend to be impulsive, and impulsive people tend to be overrepresented in those behaviors.
 
Moreover, you are actually conceding the point: if so much extra effort and attention (and money) needs to go to Single Mothers to make it viable, then that is a mark of inferiority.
 
Which is the only way we could (maybe) alter those behaviors
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@Background Pony #9B83  
even when controlled by SEC factors
 
Yyyeah, about that; sure, the article says:
All of the numbers reported in the tables shown have been adjusted for differences in family background characteristics such as race, parents’ education, family size, and place of residence. Thus the parents’ socioeconomic status cannot explain why children from one-parent families are doing worse.
…But then it also goes on to say in the very next paragraph:
Unfortunately, we cannot rule out the possibility that the gap stems from some unmeasured difference between one- and two-parent families, such as alcoholism, child abuse, or parental indifference.
…And in the next paragraph:
In contrast, when a parent dies, children do not generally experience a major change in their standard of living. Social Security and life insurance help to make up the difference.
…Which is kindasorta an important distinction for families which don’t qualify for SSI or SSDI benefits and can’t afford things like life insurance.
 
Still getting the cart/horse arrangement in the proper order, the article points out yet another socioeconomic causative factor:
Out-of-wedlock birth rates have been going up gradually since at least the early 1940s. After 1960, the age of women at their first marriages began to rise, increasing the proportion of young women who might become unwed mothers.
Guess what the primary influences are on who has higher rates of unplanned pregnancies and out-of-wedlock births.
 
Later in the article:
Women who can support themselves outside marriage can be picky about when and whom they marry. They can leave bad marriages and they can afford to bear and raise children on their own. Thus single mothers will be more common in a society where women are more economically independent, all else being equal.
…A distinction which points out yet another flaw– as if another was really needed– in the bullshit assertion those two were making that IT’S ALL THE WOMAN’S FAULT; the statistics also include plenty of success stories, which those two are callously lumping in with all the failures as if every single-parent household was exactly the same, and for exactly the same reasons.
Background Pony #41E5
@TexasUberAlles  
The post referred contains no quotes and claims they didn’t account (this actually verbatim rather than anything you posted there) “like like escaping abusive relationships or being widowed”, both of which were accounted for in the analysis. They did. Widows do not exhibit the negative effects in equal measure, while the others offered no significant contribution to the issue.
Background Pony #41E5
@TexasUberAlles  
Ehmm… Actually, the study pretty much agrees with them on regards to everything but single fathers being better than single mothers. The position they posited wasn’t “two parents homes magically fix everything wrong” but “single-mothers show a statistically significant harm to children even when controlled by SEC factors, with single-fathers fairing better than single mothers.”
 
The study and the lines quoted disprove the latter, but they reinforced the former. If you come from a single parent house, you are statiscally worse off than your two-parents peers.
Background Pony #41E5
@TexasUberAlles  
Ehmmm… You did read the paper? At all? Because I can’t honestly believe you read it if you didn’t proceed to crucify whatevs with its content. And then proceed to say something factually incorrect about the content of the report. And then went full retard. Why do you make it so clear you aren’t even attempting to read other’s evidence, texas? Especially when said evidence works on your favour?
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@Whatevs  
You mean the study that says things like:
Children of single-parent families suffer measurable harm. But the problems of the family are far more complex than the popular debate often suggests.
The evidence, however, does not show that family disruption is the principal cause of high school failure, poverty, and delinquency.
The story is basically the same for the other measures of child well-being. If all children lived in two-parent families, teen motherhood and idleness would be less common, but the bulk of these problems would remain.
The consequences of family disruption are not necessarily the same in all kinds of families.
Some of the current debate presumes that being born to unmarried parents is more harmful than experiencing parents’ divorce and that children of divorced parents do better if their mother remarries. Our evidence suggests otherwise.
Remarriage is another instance where the conventional wisdom is wrong. Children of stepfamilies don’t do better than children of mothers who never remarry. Despite significantly higher family income and the presence of two parents, the average child in a stepfamily has about the same chance of dropping out of high school as the average child in a one-parent family.
That study? I’m guessing then that you didn’t bother to read down to this part:
However, our evidence shows that children in single-father homes do just as poorly as children living with a single mother.
Jayzis– you really are bad at this. Do you have any other sources you’d like to cite that back up my side of this better than they do your own? ‘Cuz I could stand here and watch you punch yourself all night long, I’m totally fine with that.
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@Whatevs  
His numbers were worthless, because they were completely devoid of socioeconomic context. You’re going to get a slightly different set of numbers from a group of single White upper class mothers in Kennebunkport than you will from po’ Black baby mamas in Chicago, and external influences like centuries of institutional racism and classism and a never-ending barrage of victim-blaming anti-populist propaganda from cesspools like Fox “News” absolutely affect those numbers. I’ve had three aunts and a mother in law who either dumped or were dumped by their worthless turd husbands, and went on to be far more successful raising their kids by themselves than they ever had been when they were stuck dragging around 200lb sacks of crap, because they were middle class enough and/or hardass determined enough and/or had large enough support networks of family and friends to make it work. Your bullshit attempts at slandering all single mothers with the same brush don’t account for kindasorta important reasons like like escaping abusive relationships or being widowed, but you’re both still trying to blame every negative effect of single parenting in general on the mothers just for being women.
it turns out that most sources to be found in fact tie matters of race and class inextricably to the matter of single parenting
The only reason you two are trying to separate the issues is because you clearly have some kind of axe to grind with and on women in general, so you can blame single mothers for their own situation without regard for any of the circumstances that put them in that situation. Case in point, that “mean” social stigma that you seem to think somehow supports your ignorant position– how much harder do you think it is to get through life when douchebags from every direction are telling you that every problem you have is all your own fault because you’re “inferior”? Not that you’d know anything about that, dude, but maybe you could deploy that google you’re vaguely waving at and look up some damn studies on the effects of constant negative reinforcement and official oppression.
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@Whatevs  
Turns out I just really hate ignorant sexist bullshit– who knew?
 
Meanwhile, you keep making claims without even bothering to look up any deliberately-devoid-of-context numbers like the other guy; in addition to providing absolutely nothing to support it, you can no more separate your absurdly over-broad “single fatherhood __” from socioeconomic conditions than you could with “single motherhood __”.
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@TexasUberAlles  
In no way did I say anything anout holocaust denial.  
I specifically said WW2.
 
Single fatherhood is more stable, studies correct for socioeconomic status so I don’t know why you keep going on.
 
You always sound mad as fuck.  
Not a good sign
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@Whatevs  
@Doomguy  
admitting in public to being Holocaust deniers
 
Boy, you two sure are some kind of superheros there– good job on removing any and all doubt about how seriously anything you have to say should be taken.
 
using lies damn lies statistics  
Are you even pretending to follow along here? ‘Cuz you’re suckin’ real bad at it if you are.
Cart goes behind the horse, yo; poor people are more likely to be single parents because, poor people. Trying to artificially separate socioeconomic conditions from an issue like this is disengenuous at best, and more often outright dishonest; just like racists who try to use lies damn lies statistics to claim that Black people are inherently prone to criminal behavior— as if those statistics existed in a vacuum that didn’t include five hundred years of slavery and active institutional racism— most examples of “single mothers ___” are transparent attempts at victim-blaming, because it’s easier to trick an uninformed audience into abandoning and marginalizing others if that audience can be convinced their situation is somehow their own fault.
Transparently misogynistic victim-blaming is exactly what you are doing here. It’s all that you’re doing here.
 
Single fatherhood is more stable  
Oh, hey, I hate to interrupt yet another of your woman-hating tirades, but you forgot to show literally any of your math there, son. Maybe try talking out of your mouth, instead of the other end?
 
…Also, turn on spellcheck FFS– you look ridiculous for reasons completely unrelated to your ignorant hate-based ideologies.
Background Pony #41E5
You guys, not that I want to agree with Texas in anything for fear of suddenly realizing I’m cementing myself to a position and calling everyone who disagrees with me terrible people, but saying “single motherhood is more negative than other arrangements” does, in fact require you compare it to single fatherhood for you to make even half the claims you are making. After all, single fathers are a rarer breed and having less of the total percentage of, say, suicides is not indicative of anything other than which group is larger until you show numbers of other groups comparing incidences rates.
 
Also, you need to go and point out that the paper texas referred to is bullshit and why.
 
All of these can be done, or at least inferred from other data sets. If you aren’t going to listen to my advice about not bothering with texas, at the very least don’t be at fault of the same intellectual dishonesties.
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@Doomguy  
I’m certain a lot of our history about that war is propaganda.  
I’m not a historian and am already a crank on many issues so I said “okay” and never revisited the topic.  
So I’m not a revisionist, but I’m not immediately hostile to WW2 revisionists.
 
I already know about the holodomor so the holocaust doesn’t fill me with guilt like it does for a lot of people, especially since I’m not ethnically German (unless German Swiss counts).