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Indeed, pretty good points, and that is surprisingly a deep look into the episode’s premise.
I admit I’m a Weird Al fan, but even if they didn’t have Weird Al, I still liked the episode.
Also, honestly Weird Al has been pretty much the only “guest star” the show has ever had, (so it’s an odd thing to get so upset about) not to mention he’s done voice-work for many other cartoons (including “Adventure Time,” Lilo & Stitch: The Series, and Wreck-Gar in “Transformers Animated.”) so it’s not really that out-of-place for him.
It’d be like hating the “Aladdin” TV series for having Gilbert Gottfried (Iago the parrot) & Jason Alexander (from “Seinfeld”) in it.
Hasbro, the fandom, and the staff behind the franchise have worked so hard to get this franchise into prominence.
Especially when Hasbro has gotten the series up and shining. I mean, are they really willing to risk tarnishing that radiance of the series, by inserting something they should obviously know who shake up the fandom and possibly cause the franchise to soil the reputation the series worked so hard for to this point? By inserting a shameless youth offender who is prone to raking up more criminal offenses in his records at a pretty young age? It would be like inserting OJ Simpson into the show, at this rate.
Agreed. 100 million times over. That’s what I was getting at; Beibifying the show is what would honestly shake my faith and make me walk away from the show once and for all.
Even cats
Hate him
I know it’s just a show. We’re all here to have fun. I just like to mock play the more cultist fans. Though, I admit I am a little obsessed myself for my own good. But I have my own reasons. I won’t judge too much on how people should enjoy anything.
No, for God’s sakes, NEVER let Bieber onto the show. I may not whine or shit if he does. But still, that kid is a plague.
I just honestly don’t take all this show very seriously. Like, don’t get me wrong I love this show and this fandom, but to me it really is nothing more than a silly little thing I can sink my teeth into and have fun with.
I just have a ton of faith in the crew because they have such a good track record.
Okay, I have to comment on this one:
“Going by cheese sanwich after getting his mark? Well that just fucking throws out what we know about the show.”
~~As opposed a character named Rainbow “Dash” at birth finding out her special talent is flying fast and earning a lightening cutie mark?
-A character named “Rarity” finding out her special talent is fashion and earning a diamond cutie?
-Was “Fluttershy” always shy? I don’t know how parents would determine their newborn filly was shy, but assuming this was how it happened, it was an amazing coincidence that she would be saved by butterflies, learn her special talent is to communinicate with animals and earn a butterfly cutie mark.
-At some point “Applejack” thought she could make it in oranges, but ~~ SUPRISE! - her special talent involved her apple heritage.
“Twilight Sparkle” finding out her special talent was magic, and her name is a reference to the Sun and the Moon royal sisters.
’Lisa Goes Gaga’.-Little did the Pie family know their pink daughter among blandly colored daughters would not only become the eccentric, fun-loving party one, but would find a second home in a bakery. Owned by ponies named “Cake”.
Face it, the relationship between cutie marks and name has always been a plot hole for this show. It’s especially glaring considering how a central aspect of this show is destiny, and it’s tied to their cutie marks. (Hold that thought for a moment.)
Assuming a pony like Cheese Sandwich picked his name /after/ earning his cutie mark, that would at least make more sense. Even if it creates a few tinier plot holes for the sake of sealing up one big one.
“You don’t mind a pinkie episode having no pinkie in it? You don’t mind the fact an episode designed to give depth to characters gave NO extra depth to a character who desperatly needed it.”
Were we watching the same episode? This was the most depth Pinkie’s been given all season. I have one brony friend in England who could not care less about Weird Al, but praises this episode for ‘teh feelz’.
“This would be like if we got another episode, where another Character comes in, he’s a lion Tamer and he’s ALSO got the stare that fluttershy has.”
Alternatively, if there were a pony faster than Rainbow Dash, or one better at fashion than Rarity, etc. They’ve more and less followed these themes before. They’ve just never toyed with the possibility of two ponies having the exact same talent.
You think Pinkie was overshadowed in her own episode? The entire /point/ of this episode was Pinkie feeling overshadowed, but she wasn’t. It doesn’t matter if Cheese Sandwich is technically better at partying than Pinkie. She’s the Element of Laughter. Heck, considering she inspired him, maybe she’s the /original/ Party Pony, a new kind of pony who defies reality and convention in the name of fun.
It’s like how there are many other, superior parody musicians out there right now, but there’s still only one Weird Al. And yet, I don’t refer to this episode as “the Weird Al episode”. I refer to it as “the Pinkie Pie musical episode, featuring Weird Al Yankovic”. Weird Al didn’t distact form Pinkie, he complemented her. At least in my eyes, as a fan of both, but with a deeper affection towards Pinkie.
“Well Thankfully they got a pinkie episode right With Maud Pie a few weeks later.”
I honestly don’t know how you can say Pinkie Pie had no depth in this episode and then praise ‘Maud Pie’ in the same breath. If there was any wasted potential, it was that episode. After Pinkie disappointed me in ‘Pinkie Apple Pie’, I was looking forward to having a peak into Pinkie’s background and family life, and yet all we got was a ponification of a rock and more hyperactive flanderized Pinkie.
While we’re on the subject of Pinkie’s past, it’s actually relevant to my next point. In ‘The Cutie Mark Chronicles’, we learned that all the ponies earned their marks due to Rainbow Dash’s sonic rainboom, including Pinkie on the rock farm. She saw the boom and fell in love with fun and happiness. Well, wouldn’t you know it, Pinkie had the same influence on Cheese as Rainbow Dash had on her. Now it comes full circle with him and Pinkie throwing a “birthiversary” party for her. How is that for a creative plot twist? And it was an essential set-up for them opening the box, which circles again back to the very core of the show: Six ponies and their destiny.
That’s as deep as anything else this show has pulled off, which is why it works as a key episode. You criticize others for being distracted by the Weird Al cameo to see how crappy the episode is, while you’re too distracted to see the value in it.
“But I CAN’T forgive wasting a potential episode in order to milk your Celebrity for all they’ve got.”
If they had simply worked a little harder on the dialogue between singing, this episode would be held up as the anti
-By complete Anomoly you mean special? So a Celebrity Cameo comes in and makes a MAIN character less special. you don’t mind that?
This would be like if we got another episode, where another Character comes in, he’s a lion Tamer and he’s ALSO got the stare that fluttershy has.
People would flip their SHIT at that.
-Going by cheese sanwich after getting his mark? Well that just fucking throws out what we know about the show.
-His cutie mark animation happens a couple of times and as I said before it adds an extra layer of something only this character has.
-Siver Shill was bland, but at least he wasn’t obnoxious.
-You don’t mind a pinkie episode having no pinkie in it? You don’t mind the fact an episode designed to give depth to characters gave NO extra depth to a character who desperatly needed it.
-AJ key episode was no great feat, but it wasn’t painful to watch like Pinkie Pride was.
Looking back now, I can forgive a lot of things in an episode, I can forgive jamming MMC into one episode, I can forgive Feeling pinkie keens mixed up message, I can forgive the misscharacterization in Mare do well and I can forgive the weird world altering of Daring Don’t.
But I CAN’T forgive wasting a potential episode in order to milk your Celebrity for all they’ve got.
I’ve seen so many people say they don’t mind the flaws just because they got a weird Al pony. And that’s the sort of thinking that got people loving that star wars prequels just because they we so happy to get new films they weren’t too bothered over quality and when this happens, it doesn’t last.
I’m really expecting later reviews of this episode to be “I like weird al but really he’s not bringing his A game”. Everyone gets a role they screw up (like johnny depp in “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory”).
But This was supposed to be a Pinkie Episode so how does it affect Pinkie? Well Thankfully they got a pinkie episode right With Maud Pie a few weeks later. This Episode featured a new character, didn’t feel the need to get Angelina Jolie to voice her or something, gave her a new personality and look, allowed pinkie to feature in her own episode and low and behold it was good.
Even then, he’ll likely only be a one-timer. And disappear forever. Not like he’s going to be of any significance. I’m not one of those who’d cry “RUINED 4EVAR!” and lose all faith on everything, over a single unpleasant detail. Seriously, that extreme mentality baffles me.
Nothing will ever make me lose faith in Ponies. And I’ll make sure Ponies become the law of the internet.
That’s a joke. Except for the Not lose never lose faith in Ponies part.
I’ll be genuinely surprised if they do, and I’d probably lose my unshakable faith in them.
Judging by the amount of bad press that kid is having right now. I don’t think Hasbro would risk putting that brat into the show.
thanks sadly it’s fake
That is the most metal thing I’ve seen all day.
Also @Roboshi while I might see where you’re coming from with your complaints, none of them bothered me in the slightest. Not only is it my favorite episode of season 4, its my favorite episode, period.
-Cheese having the same powers as pinkie means that Pinkie is less a complete anomaly; its just a particular earth pony kind of thing. When there’s still twice as many alicorn princesses as party ponies, I don’t see it as a serious issue.
-His name and cutie-mark are as fitting as you can get for pony Weird Al; He also indicates in his backstory reprise that he didn’t actually go by Cheese Sandwich until after he got his mark.
-See previous.
-Oh no, a visual gag on a fourth-wall bending character, the horror. It only happened once, to boot.
-It’s still better than most background ponies. If you want a better example all-around but especially when it comes to voice, Silver fuckin’ Shill. Bleh.
-As mentioned, that was the point (and I certainly don’t mind as Pinkie’s been generally insufferable as of late)
-And again as I already mentioned, SILVER SHILL. Applejack’s key episode was so, sooooo much worse in every way.
No Wants bieber we need Corpsgrinder
Just watch now, season 5, Justin Bieber pony, what would his name be?
…Eh?
You are the lord of humor on this site.
Of course, but it made me cry with laughter anyways.
I’m sure a million people look like that.
I had to make a side-by-side for the YLYL thread.
Even pinkie episodes need to keep their characters to the rules of the show.
But there you made the big elephant in the room for that episode;
Novelty
Or, to put it more accurately, Gimmicky.
This Wasn’t a Pinkie Episode, it wasn’t an element Epsiode to get the key. It was an episode to use their celebrity cameo, get as many songs outof him as possible and maybe work out some story if we have the time.
I had to stop the episode multiple times because of how painful it was to watch as they just wasted opportunities for jokes or worse use a joke poorly.
You say it Gave pinkie depth, but that depth is delivered so poorly in a pretty weak song that it has about as much impact as a damp towel.
Pinkie Pride is, to me, the worst this show can be. Clever Writting and interesting characters replaced with montages and Celebrity Cameos.
Oh yeah, and the whole “boneless” thing is one of the worst attempts at humour I have ever seen. It’s the sort of thing you’d expect from a 3rd rate magician working his 5th Kids party of the week. A Rubber Chicken is only funny when used ironically, never try to get a genuine laugh out of it.
Sorry in advanced for that wall of text. :P
It suits MLP in the context of a Pinkie Pie episode. ;)
Pinkie functions on a different wavelength than everyone else, and pinning a ponified Weird Al Yankovic against the Element of Laughter in a musical episode is almost artful. Especially given the incredibly meta pop culture references this show and its universe has pulled off, with the assistance of the fandom.
But hey, let’s overlook for a moment my personal bias in regards to the astronomical novelty of complementing my favorite pony with one of my all-time favorite comedians. I honestly don’t see the problem with giving Pinkie a superior rival. The core lesson of this episode is that feeling of inadequacy we feel when our ‘special talent’, our passion, what we use to define us, is measure up against those who are better at it. This had more emotion and substance than ‘Party of One’ in dealing with Pinkie’s purpose and feeling of inadequacy.
I would argue strongly that this was far from the worst episode of the season because it was the one good Pinkie Pie episode.* Every other episode she came off as flanderized and, even though it pains me to admit it, annoying. Your criticisms of Cheese match my view of season 4 Pinkie. ‘Pinkie Pride’ at least gave her the least bit of depth, and it had genuine emotion to it. Damned if I don’t feel a pull of my heartstrings everytime I watch ‘Pinkie’s Lament’.
If this episode had a gaping flaw, it wasn’t the Cheese Sandwich in the room. It was the poorly written dialogue.
[*Except for maybe Maud Pie, if only for Maud, who is slowly growing on me. Explain to me why /that/ episode is so popular.]