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What a resounding rebuttal. Maybe if your disagreement had any content to it, I could take you even the slightest bit seriously.
Nope. You’re splitting hairs and being wrong all over the place.
If you the the Greek deities were “just humans with powers”, or that they could be killed off like any old mortal, you’re way, WAY off. Sheesh, movies? Kids these days…
As for Norse deities, even they had a profoundly spiritual aspect to them, something Luna and Celestia completely lack. Being normal ponies with slightly higher power levels is all the show has ever indicated about them. Even that’s on the rocks somewhat, when you consider how powerful unicorns like Twilight, Shining Armor, and Sunset Shimmer sometimes are.
So that leaves only long life, which doesn’t prove anything at all except that they’ve been around a while. It’s also interesting to note that “Good Sombra” shares that little quirk.
To join in late to the comment drama. Celestia and Luna are totally Greek God level. You guys are totally ignoring the fact that these “immortal” gods can and have died. They simply do not have the same physical bodies as humans, and are able to survive a lot better, but that’s it. Otherwise they are just humans with powers. And the Princesses have their own powers and are “immortal” so they qualify to be Greek Gods.
I believe Pan died, or a satyr god of some sort at least. Zeus’ dad was killed… Or was that banished? All these films have messed with my memory of the canon.
*reading*
And seems Pan was the only Greek one to die that I could find. However Norse gods can die. Sure there are more. Also we’re totally assuming Celestia and Luna can actually die. There is no evidence towards it though.
Doesn’t matter. Zeus could have just as easily overlooked the guy, after all. The point is that there is no godly power associated with being “above average” in and of itself.
But Zeus gave him immortality because…?
I assume you must be talking about Ganymede, who is sometimes associated with the constellation of Aquarius. He did not become a god, although he was made to be the immortal cup-bearer to the gods for his good looks, or whatever. An important thing to note is that his “beauty” is not what granted him immortality. Zeus did.
So far as I know, no human in Greek mythology ever ascended into the heavens purely on some merit of their own, and certainly I know of none that became a full-blown god in any case.
But apparently, being more magical does.
That worked for Twilight, and if I may bring the dubiously canonical G. M. Berrow books into play, this was the same basis for Cadance as well.
And come to think of it, weren’t there a few greek mortals that became gods because they were pretty? I’m pretty sure that was Aquarius’s deal, IIRC
For Sunset, I count her skills in “demon” mode. Gaining the ability to use her unicorn powers in the human world isn’t enough to tell her how to do those spells. She must have already known them.
As for Twilight, yes, she was above average in an ability that is common to all ponies, just like the alicorns are. One doesn’t qualify as a god because they’re taller, or stronger, or prettier than the typical person.
Unicorn twilight constantly showed she was capable of things above the “average” unicorn.
And she became an alicorn, if you remember.
As opposed to Sunset, whom we haven’t seen much in the way of magic ability outside the comics, but I won’t get into that territory.
Actually no, if you think that, you don’t know much about the Greek gods at all. Not only were they immortal (which the alicorns are not), they were considered an entirely different sort of being from mortals. They had a spiritual aspect that responded to worship. When injured, they did not bleed out blood as mortals did. They were a different set, as far removed from humans as we are from germs.
@PonyPon
As for “power”, the alicorns have not consistently demonstrated that they possess all that much more than say unicorn Twilight or Sunset did.
@Dale
It’s not silly at all, it’s the truth. To use another analogy, those two are no more deific than the elves of Middle Earth. More knowledge and magic and ageless than the typical being, but still quite mortal and mutable.
Definitely one, and the appearance of the other.
I mean, I understand the position of saying that they aren’t considered gods. I tend to like an interpretation where they would actively discourage worship. But saying they obviously can’t be considered gods is silly.
And alicorns have at least one of those.
Once again, check out, like, the Greek Pantheon. The only differences between the gods and man are immortality and power.
You know that cutting of the clitoris would be like cutting a guy’s penis off and not like circumcision, right?
Other than long life, wings, and intrinsic royal status for some reason, what does it mean to be an alicorn? They’re still just ponies, only more of the same, however they may pretend to be something else.
Immortal doesn’t mean unbeatable.
And being alicorns, with everything that comes with, doesn’t count as otherness?
Do you honestly contend that there is anything essentially different about their power other than specialty and extent? No one ever agrees with Magneto when he calls himself a god, even if he were to find a way to never age. He would merely be a human with a special ability and a long lifespan. Deities must have a different nature, a different essence, a particulart “otherness” to them. Celestia and Luna have never revealed any such attributes.
And they are definitely mortal by the way. We’ve seen their vulnerabulity time and time again.
And I think there’s a tad more to their magic than mere “knowledge”.
Are they long-lived or immortal?
Do we even know that?
Because they would still be flesh and blood either way.
First of all, long-lived is not nearly the same as being immortal. They’re just flesh-and-blood creatures like all the other ponies, with a little additional knowledge of a commonality in their world: magic. That doesn’t qualify them as deity at all.
They’re immortal beings of immense power that control fundamental forces of their world. They don’t match most monotheistic ideas of a god, not being triply omni, but try checking out any place with a pantheon.