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@Background Pony from one day ago two post down.
I agree.
Uh… I think you may have missed the point a little. I was saying that there is a common assumption, by critics, that fashion doll lines are created by a bunch of evil businessmen who specifically intend to brainwash/sexualize girls with ‘slutty’ dolls.
Rather than, y’know, the appearances and designs of such being developed by a mixed group of people including men, women, parents and singles who have to keep in mind the purposes and limitations inherent in the whole concept of a fashion doll. Not to mention that I don’t think any such doll is liable to make it onto the production lines without going through a whole bunch of test groups to see what children do and do not like first.
Yes, there are valid things one can complain about regarding fashion dolls but half the stuff such critics do complain about have pretty innocent reasons behind them - rather than some evil ‘sexualize all girls’ conspiracy like they seem to wish there was.
If it wasn’t, why would a lot of females dig ‘sexy avatars/outfits?’ They dig being sexy even if they don’t have the body to pull it off. It’s an escapist fantasy thing. And now you’re combining it with light goth/‘dark’ chic themes like the daughters of famous movie monsters. A quick perusal of EGL and ‘romance horror’ groups turns up way more females than males. I just don’t know why that woman would have expected something different. It doesn’t seem it should be as surprising to the ‘mundanes’ as say, finding out Necrobabes is a near 50% split, and the chicks post a TON more.
Perhaps. It’s still a pretty crappy situation overall though.
‘Either show accuracy (well, merch was probably thought of first so it’s more merch accuracy) is vital in animation merchandising or it’s something to be ignored almost entirely. Why, then, does it seem to be so important with human characters here but barely worth consideration by marketing when it comes to nonhuman characters? Even if the nonhumans are by far the more important ones.’
Most other cartoons in the past were able to get away with main characters each having different body types because those characters appearances were usually established, canonically from the beginning.
The case for MLP is different. We have ‘ponies’ that look nearly identical to each other. The fan community has established their own headcanons of what the characters look like as humans. Then comes EqG one day. If they suddenly give each character different body types, people are going to start a shit tsunami over their headcanons being destroyed.
This is as neutral as they could get it.
See, now that’s actually an argument worth making - especially if we focus on the issue of show accuracy: Assuming we do see a fashion doll line that’s pretty accurate to these designs then one must ask… why the hell don’t we see much in the way of show accurate pony toys?
Either show accuracy (well, merch was probably thought of first so it’s more merch accuracy) so important with human characters but barely worth consideration by marketing when it comes to nonhuman characters? Even if the nonhumans are by far the more important ones.
The other alternative is that we take the third option and put it down to laziness on the part of the animation staff since all the bodies are essentially just recolors with different clothing/eye objects anchored on top (which works for ponies but doesn’t work for humans so well since you start straying towards the uncanny valley effect with such shenanigans).
And for reference: I would too have preferred some variation in body in the animation, but I can sadly see too many viable reasons why doing so wouldn’t be considered worthwhile by the ones actually paying for production.
Sure, the dolls need to be identical, or nearly so. Fine with me; I don’t have any interest in the dolls.
I just think it would’ve been better to have had some body type variety in the movie. Nothing major; make a couple of them slightly different heights, slightly different facial shapes, 8-10% heavier. Just enough that it’s not the exact same base for each of the main characters.
And before anyone brings it up, I’m not one of those who bewails the lack of show accuracy among the toys; even if you want to look at it that way, though, who wants the limitations of toy manufacturing to bring down the quality of the related show?
Pretty much.
It is still irritating that people seem to assume that these kinds of aesthetic choices are made in some kind of vacuum by soulless businessmen who want nothing more than to sell the idea of pseudo-slutty female models to young girls.
When half the time they’re made for practical reasons (all the clothings must be interchangable, thus all the boydshapes must be identical for this to work), to avoid giving out really terrible messages (fat girls can’t wear pretty outfits), or are thought up based on asking child testing groups (often the children of the designers/marketers) what they think is better.
I recall reading a (crazed) rant over the ‘Monster High’ line of toys in which the woman ranting had an interview with the ceative board and… was utterly horrified to discover most of the board:
a) was female and,
b) had children.
Because this didn’t match the aforementioned ‘soulless businessmen’ view she held as her reasoning behind why the line was so evil/slutty/bad-for-children.
There are many things one can complain about regarding such dolls and in the aesthetic choices involved in Equestria Girls - but complaining that ‘they all look the same’ is one of the stupidest if you actually consider how the merchandising is liable to work.
If they do things otherwise, People are gonna whine anyways. This was pretty much a Pick-Your_Poison situation.
Why?
Well imagine a little girl playing with her identical-shaped dolls… she gets them all to wear pretty clothes, they can wear each others pretty clothes, she can pretty them up how she likes.
Now introduce, say, a chubbier doll into the line. Who can’t wear the clothes every other doll does because they don’t fit.
Congratulations! You’ve just delivered unto that child the message that fat girls don’t get to wear pretty clothes!
And this is why all fashion doll lines are made with identical (within the line) bodyshapes.
Now all you little whorses get ready to BEND OVER
Firecracker? More like Pop-its.
other way around, toys were first and foremost, shows just popped up to advertise the toys. if all the shows die, the toys will remain as it is a TOY franchise.
There’s no doubt that there are going to be toys. MLP is, was, and always will be a merchandise-driven series.
Other than killing each other, complaining seems to be the only thing mankind is good at.