Basinator
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1 Bruh, really? Man, that’s ass
However, I feel like there’s some background there.
2 Why did they ban politics?
3 Was Jerric the sole cause of your breakdowns?
4 Other users who caused trouble?
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**1. Bruh, really? Man, that’s ass**
However, I feel like there’s some background there.
I am certainly not liking how it went, far from it, but of course there are always different perspectives and perceptions on the matter. I would somewhat assume that Jeric does believe what Jeric tells others about me or Jeric believing in their own assumptions. Just saying I don't think it is straight up lying where you know yourself you are not telling the truth.
I can try to take on different perspectives, I can try with Jeric:
"That guy just doesn't get it, can't accept shit and is always backtalking. He doesn't know what social skills are and I am not responsible to teach him. He is unable to see social interactions and signals ffs"
(How should I learn if people are not honest and don't teach me?)
Perspective of the two staffers:
"That guy goes on our nerves. He blames me to be homo/transphobic?? PLEASE STOP, It is stressing me, I hate myself, everyone hates me, it just hurts so much" (I can actually relate to the emotional pain)
Perspective of other staffers:
"We have seen enough from what Jeric has send us, what a creep. Jeric (probably) told us not to interact with him, he doesn't get social clues, and he is just so tiresome. He is at fault for what happened to staffer A and staffer B, and he doesn't even see the consequences of his actions! Jeric was right about everything"
Just some thoughts on how to read some of them as a possibility. It is almost as if honest communication would be helpful in general in order to exchange these views and find common solutions, or at least get empathy towards each other.
It is not even that I can't understand emotionally for how putting me and...the guy into the same pod, given the chain of events. It is just simply not wanting to differ at all, and seemingly taking the first impression (or whatever) for granted, that me and the guy would be best buddies or support each other or whatever.
Now, what went wrong between me and staff aside of prior tensions? Partly me being difficult and requiring stuff explained to me, especially what impact my words have upon others. I suppose that people find that extremely...exhausting? I would have liked to have seen more honesty, transparency, people telling me if I make someone uncomfortable and why, consequences of my words, and as stupid as this sounds, it isn't one vs the another, but we are all in the same boat as a community.
Else, apart from what others might *actually* think of me because of Jeric, the other major issue I am seeing is that like every single conflict and communication got outsourced to Jeric, like there was no one else I could talk to. And that is guaranteed to go downhill if Jeric thinks badly of you but you are forced to talk to Jeric constantly at the same time. And when you do, and Jeric is not a fan of you, if you are not doing exactly what Jeric wants ("APOLOGIZE!") it doesn't matter what you write, stuff goes worse. Also, Jeric is not known for patience.
And having had open communication with staffers beside of Jeric would have helped that one ban where I was getting totally different orders from two admins. How should *I* know then what to do?
Examples of me being...difficult are:
- Me getting a warning or suspension for a hot-headed politics post in which I wrote in caps at parts and insulted a specific politician. I was given as a the reason the rule about "No swearing (but rarely gets sanctioned) or insulting other people on the forums", and I was totally confused and caught up about how I would have insulted someone else, and when I asked which of the two I did break and to be more precise, this was probably seen as me playing dumb? I mean, I can see it from nowadays perspective why the ban happened, but not then.
- Using loaded words at times esp. when stressed, probably coming over the pressuring? Especially when I could have used more mild phrases and words, such as regarding calling someone homo/transphobic, instead I could have gone by "You are hurting them this way. Please stop.", albeit that of course only works if the other person cares in the slightest about that. (Let's be honest: calling someone h/t phobic is very loaded with negative associations)
- And some other inter-social stuff as still had to learn there is a difference to recommend someone to see a therapist or asking if they are seeing one.
- Okay, and picking up other social clues, *ESPECIALLY* when people expect me to do without telling me to do so. I can't see into their minds.
**2. Why did they ban politics?**
This question is a tad bit surprising, because I thought you would be a member of the site, and you would have joined before stuff happened. Maybe you are a newer member and only saw my profile and the comments on it, though.
Basically, there was a place called Debate Pit, in which political debates happened. It was very hot-headed, and it was eventually closed. Before that, politics got banned everywhere else (IIRC), like on status updates or threads or blogs. Eventually, that area got closed as well.
I am not going to lie: I was part of why political stuff escalated, I suppose? I couldn't handle "alternate realities" very well. Also, I couldn't handle the permanent stress well either. It did get me charged up and kept me in that state.
Ironically though, it was also me that suggested the non-politics rule when I recognized in quite some status updates people announcing their leave because of politics.
(I refuse to acknowledge I was the only culprit or troublemaker regarding politics though, albeit probably a major one)
The Debate Pit was the reason behind most user reports, at least that's what the staff said. That was the reason it was closed, TBH. Honestly speaking, there was always one side not feeling well represented by the mod actions. You could to at least some degree say, no matter what a mod would do, it would like always displease someone.
I was told I was the sole reason Debate Pit got closed, which while I have been part of it probably, I don't buy it. They closed it two weeks after I got booted from the area (which I was fine with, for that matter), and it is AFAIK still closed to the day. Probably all because of me because I could post ther...oh wait, I can't.
There should be an announcement regarding that rule, by the way.
**3. Was Jerric the sole cause of your breakdowns?**
During MLPF times? At times (one time only?), others were involved, but even then, it was still with Jeric being involved as well, and from my memory I can only remember one time where others were part of. Even in that instance, it was Jeric who did take on the lead role, shaming and blaming me during conversations, and the others were just not...jumping in or tell Jeric to use another tone? It is like leaving all the field to Jeric.
Jeric also likes to play the card of like "I am adding a warning to your profile" or "I am doing this or that on your permissions" - but not because of the initial reasoning, but rather because of you didn't agree with Jeric in a conflict. Or at least it comes across like that, because initially these things were not present.
**4. Other users who caused trouble?**
Towards me or the platform (or areas of it)?
In any case, there have been, definitively. But for me personally, I am not sure anyone of them caused a breakdown, and yes, that includes the guy who did send me IRL threats of what he would do with me, and a picture that did haunt me for some weeks. Jeric did inflict a greater pain to me than that guy did.
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**Two adds from previous post, only because I remember now:**
1 - The feeling which might describe pretty well how I feel when Jeric did put a rebuke on me is like Jeric is telling me like I am literally the worst human being possible in the world, shamed into the ground. Every single thing is my fault, and there could be never anyone as bad as I am, ethically. That's how I would put the feeling. Very condescending. Blamed for everything.
2 - I can understand it emotionally somewhat at least, but for Jeric IRL friends, includes other staffers, are more worth than other users (not just meaning myself). Jeric stands up for their friends. If they are in trouble, or Jeric disliking how stuff goes, Jeric will use admin powers to protect the friends from other people. Basically, Jeric as an admin will do more for friends than for other users, including when they get attacked verbally or whatever. Probably the story about me calling staffers homo/transphobic might be a pretty good example of this.
Again, I can understand it emotionally, but when an admin is playing favorites with their powers - or authority...
**Bonus: Do you feel any regret, would like to apologize to anyone?**
sigh.
I didn't mean for the emotional consequences to happen, but it still did. I should have seen for one person mental problems ahead and that getting called trans or homophobic wouldn't help but rather pressure them into suffering, at least potentially, and I did oversee a sign of it happening. I am sorry for this did happen to you. That was not what my intention was. This is not what I wanted to cause. But it still did.
Even for the guy, I cannot fully redact myself from the equitation: If i didn't talk up to him with my ban reasoning, he would not had any catalyst for loosing his mind. Could I have foreseen that? No, I don't think not, not in that magnitude, but it doesn't change it wouldn't have happened if I didn't communicate with him.
**Jeric asked...pressured me for apologies.** Sorry, you are not getting one. Because you are not the one I harmed. And if we go by being harmed indirectly because they are your friends and it did hit you, you don't feel sorry for what you have caused to me. An apology towards you would signal it was okay what you did, and it is not. You likely wouldn't give me one yourself. You are quick to demand earnest apologies, and spare to give some yourself.
And I don't apologize for refusing to cooperate with you. This is not because you are an MLPF Admin, this is not because I got banned, this is not because of a warning or me being salty because of that, it is because of your absolutely devastating verbal nature, utterly destroying. This is not because you are an MLPF Admin, this is because you act this way as a person.
Not only it was reckless, you even signaled you decide to go that route *because* you know very much of what pain it results in. And you should for one second what kind of person I would have been if I wrote the two staffers the same thing you wrote to me in a response of telling you what you have caused: "Why are you mad at me? Your country has a good healthcare [so everything I did to you is fine thus}"
I don't think I hold a real grudge against the other staffers, I assume.
I think I should be also sorry for anyone else I have harmed during my MLPF presence. You are allowed to shoot me a message here if you think I did.
I indeed did get...stressed easily and used emotionally loaded words, I made half a drama of anyone going to the crowded beach during high corona infection numbers, and I am likely the single cause or most part of it a specific person did close their status updates for comments. And sometimes, it is just a tiny thing of not showing (enough) empathy for a deceased pet of a user.
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1 Bruh, really? Man, that’s ass
However, I feel like there’s some background there.
2 Why did they ban politics?
3 Was Jerric the sole cause of your breakdowns?
4 Other users who caused trouble?
---
**1. Bruh, really? Man, that’s ass**
However, I feel like there’s some background there.
I am certainly not liking how it went, far from it, but of course there are always different perspectives and perceptions on the matter. I would somewhat assume that Jeric does believe what Jeric tells others about me or Jeric believing in their own assumptions. Just saying I don't think it is straight up lying where you know yourself you are not telling the truth.
I can try to take on different perspectives, I can try with Jeric:
"That guy just doesn't get it, can't accept shit and is always backtalking. He doesn't know what social skills are and I am not responsible to teach him. He is unable to see social interactions and signals ffs"
(How should I learn if people are not honest and don't teach me?)
Perspective of the two staffers:
"That guy goes on our nerves. He blames me to be homo/transphobic?? PLEASE STOP, It is stressing me, I hate myself, everyone hates me, it just hurts so much" (I can actually relate to the emotional pain)
Perspective of other staffers:
"We have seen enough from what Jeric has send us, what a creep. Jeric (probably) told us not to interact with him, he doesn't get social clues, and he is just so tiresome. He is at fault for what happened to staffer A and staffer B, and he doesn't even see the consequences of his actions! Jeric was right about everything"
Just some thoughts on how to read some of them as a possibility. It is almost as if honest communication would be helpful in general in order to exchange these views and find common solutions, or at least get empathy towards each other.
It is not even that I can't understand emotionally for how putting me and...the guy into the same pod, given the chain of events. It is just simply not wanting to differ at all, and seemingly taking the first impression (or whatever) for granted, that me and the guy would be best buddies or support each other or whatever.
Now, what went wrong between me and staff aside of prior tensions? Partly me being difficult and requiring stuff explained to me, especially what impact my words have upon others. I suppose that people find that extremely...exhausting? I would have liked to have seen more honesty, transparency, people telling me if I make someone uncomfortable and why, consequences of my words, and as stupid as this sounds, it isn't one vs the another, but we are all in the same boat as a community.
Else, apart from what others might *actually* think of me because of Jeric, the other major issue I am seeing is that like every single conflict and communication got outsourced to Jeric, like there was no one else I could talk to. And that is guaranteed to go downhill if Jeric thinks badly of you but you are forced to talk to Jeric constantly at the same time. And when you do, and Jeric is not a fan of you, if you are not doing exactly what Jeric wants ("APOLOGIZE!") it doesn't matter what you write, stuff goes worse. Also, Jeric is not known for patience.
And having had open communication with staffers beside of Jeric would have helped that one ban where I was getting totally different orders from two admins. How should *I* know then what to do?
Examples of me being...difficult are:
- Me getting a warning or suspension for a hot-headed politics post in which I wrote in caps at parts and insulted a specific politician. I was given as a the reason the rule about "No swearing (but rarely gets sanctioned) or insulting other people on the forums", and I was totally confused and caught up about how I would have insulted someone else, and when I asked which of the two I did break and to be more precise, this was probably seen as me playing dumb? I mean, I can see it from nowadays perspective why the ban happened, but not then.
- Using loaded words at times esp. when stressed, probably coming over the pressuring? Especially when I could have used more mild phrases and words, such as regarding calling someone homo/transphobic, instead I could have gone by "You are hurting them this way. Please stop.", albeit that of course only works if the other person cares in the slightest about that. (Let's be honest: calling someone h/t phobic is very loaded with negative associations)
- And some other inter-social stuff as still had to learn there is a difference to recommend someone to see a therapist or asking if they are seeing one.
- Okay, and picking up other social clues, *ESPECIALLY* when people expect me to do without telling me to do so. I can't see into their minds.
**2. Why did they ban politics?**
This question is a tad bit surprising, because I thought you would be a member of the site, and you would have joined before stuff happened. Maybe you are a newer member and only saw my profile and the comments on it, though.
Basically, there was a place called Debate Pit, in which political debates happened. It was very hot-headed, and it was eventually closed. Before that, politics got banned everywhere else (IIRC), like on status updates or threads or blogs. Eventually, that area got closed as well.
I am not going to lie: I was part of why political stuff escalated, I suppose? I couldn't handle "alternate realities" very well. Also, I couldn't handle the permanent stress well either. It did get me charged up and kept me in that state.
Ironically though, it was also me that suggested the non-politics rule when I recognized in quite some status updates people announcing their leave because of politics.
(I refuse to acknowledge I was the only culprit or troublemaker regarding politics though, albeit probably a major one)
The Debate Pit was the reason behind most user reports, at least that's what the staff said. That was the reason it was closed, TBH. Honestly speaking, there was always one side not feeling well represented by the mod actions. You could to at least some degree say, no matter what a mod would do, it would like always displease someone.
I was told I was the sole reason Debate Pit got closed, which while I have been part of it probably, I don't buy it. They closed it two weeks after I got booted from the area (which I was fine with, for that matter), and it is AFAIK still closed to the day. Probably all because of me because I could post ther...oh wait, I can't.
There should be an announcement regarding that rule, by the way.
**3. Was Jerric the sole cause of your breakdowns?**
During MLPF times? At times (one time only?), others were involved, but even then, it was still with Jeric being involved as well
Jeric also likes to play the card of like "I am adding a warning to your profile" or "I am doing this or that on your permissions" - but not because of the initial reasoning, but rather because of you didn't agree with Jeric in a conflict. Or at least it comes across like that, because initially these things were not present.
**4. Other users who caused trouble?**
Towards me or the platform (or areas of it)?
In any case, there have been, definitively. But for me personally, I am not sure anyone of them caused a breakdown, and yes, that includes the guy who did send me IRL threats of what he would do with me, and a picture that did haunt me for some weeks. Jeric did inflict a greater pain to me than that guy did.
--
**Two adds from previous post, only because I remember now:**
1 - The feeling which might describe pretty well how I feel when Jeric did put a rebuke on me is like Jeric is telling me like I am literally the worst human being possible in the world, shamed into the ground. Every single thing is my fault, and there could be never anyone as bad as I am, ethically. That's how I would put the feeling. Very condescending. Blamed for everything.
2 - I can understand it emotionally somewhat at least, but for Jeric IRL friends, includes other staffers, are more worth than other users (not just meaning myself). Jeric stands up for their friends. If they are in trouble, or Jeric disliking how stuff goes, Jeric will use admin powers to protect the friends from other people. Basically, Jeric as an admin will do more for friends than for other users, including when they get attacked verbally or whatever. Probably the story about me calling staffers homo/transphobic might be a pretty good example of this.
Again, I can understand it emotionally, but when an admin is playing favorites with their powers - or authority...
**Bonus: Do you feel any regret, would like to apologize to anyone?**
sigh.
I didn't mean for the emotional consequences to happen, but it still did. I should have seen for one person mental problems ahead and that getting called trans or homophobic wouldn't help but rather pressure them into suffering, at least potentially, and I did oversee a sign of it happening. I am sorry for this did happen to you. That was not what my intention was. This is not what I wanted to cause. But it still did.
Even for the guy, I cannot fully redact myself from the equitation: If i didn't talk up to him with my ban reasoning, he would not had any catalyst for loosing his mind. Could I have foreseen that? No, I don't think not, not in that magnitude, but it doesn't change it wouldn't have happened if I didn't communicate with him.
**Jeric asked...pressured me for apologies.** Sorry, you are not getting one. Because you are not the one I harmed. And if we go by being harmed indirectly because they are your friends and it did hit you, you don't feel sorry for what you have caused to me. An apology towards you would signal it was okay what you did, and it is not. You likely wouldn't give me one yourself. You are quick to demand earnest apologies, and spare to give some yourself.
And I don't apologize for refusing to cooperate with you. This is not because you are an MLPF Admin, this is not because I got banned, this is not because of a warning or me being salty because of that, it is because of your absolutely devastating verbal nature, utterly destroying. This is not because you are an MLPF Admin, this is because you act this way as a person.
Not only it was reckless, you even signaled you decide to go that route *because* you know very much of what pain it results in. And you should for one second what kind of person I would have been if I wrote the two staffers the same thing you wrote to me in a response of telling you what you have caused: "Why are you mad at me? Your country has a good healthcare [so everything I did to you is fine thus}"
I don't think I hold a real grudge against the other staffers, I assume.
I think I should be also sorry for anyone else I have harmed during my MLPF presence. You are allowed to shoot me a message here if you think I did.
I indeed did get...stressed easily and used emotionally loaded words, I made half a drama of anyone going to the crowded beach during high corona infection numbers, and I am likely the single cause or most part of it a specific person did close their status updates for comments. And sometimes, it is just a tiny thing of not showing (enough) empathy for a deceased pet of a user.