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IndeedXD
that’s what i love about it. You’d think the hulking brute would be dumb and the femme fatale would be smart, but it’s actually the reverse. xD
@MrXemnas1992
What MrXmnas siad. It’s kind of awesome really.
You’d expect it would be the opposite. But, although I love her, it seems Chryssi just isn’t all that smart,
on top of being an ass. When you think about it, she’s just extra strength. Because of how delusional she is,
always thinking her (mostly) terrible plans will work, and not thinking things all the way through, she’s almost useless otherwise.
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Quite the opposite actually. Tirek is quite intelligent and strategic [like wanting to go after Twilight asap] while Chrysalis is pretty fucking stupid [willing to let the Windigos freeze the land in order to “defeat them later and gain the ponies’ servitude]
Before anything else, I’d just like to make known my regret that I was not more prompt in responding.
Indeed. You’ll notice that I raised no objection to another statement to similar effect in your initial comment. It’s quite clear that she tends to place a degree of importance on personal satisfaction and in this case, the risk must’ve seemed negligible.
Given that becoming more powerful by absorbing love is a defining trait of changelings, whereas Shining and Cadance are ponies, I’d say that’s fairly understandable.
That seems a fair enough summation. To be clear, my view is that these moments are not the blatant “Should’ve-seen-it-coming” errors on Chrysalis’ part that they are frequently characterised as. I find that she usually has a reason to be confident and her defeats are largely a result of factors she can’t reasonably be expected to take into account (Shining’s magic being renewed by Cadance’s love, Luna communicating with Starlight through her dreams, Thorax’s metamorphosis and so on).
What gets my goat is that other villains have similar questionable moments (e.g. Tirek releasing Twilight’s friends, Cozy revealing her evil intentions to Neighsay), but those are entirely disregarded when assessing their competence.
Cozy Glow makes the smartest villain, she may lack strength at first, but she is the brain of the villain trio.
The point is, whether they’d end up mattering in a detrimental or not, Chrysalis is the type to make questionable decisions with the confidence she can deal with whatever happens as a consequence.
Just because it’s a possibility she wanted Twilight to kill Cadance doesn’t mean it wasn’t also a bad idea, to think she could easily pull it off with someone not like her. It’s obvious that she sent Twilight down there with Cadance because she was pissed off that she inconvenienced her, rather than any rational planning of “this is the best idea I’ve come up with.”
In other words, I think Chrysalis isn’t the uber-mastermind archetype that covers all possible methods of failure, because she can definitely deal with their pitiful attempts to oppose her (dismissing the power of love, despite using it to grow strong, therefore doing nothing to separate Shining and Cadance, letting Windigos run wild and probably grow stronger doing their thing, confident destroying them at the height of their power is a given).
Sure, she’s absolutely dangerous, especially with an army, but I think Chrysalis has an overinflated opinion of her being infallible, and that stops her from preemptively taking precautions (like not thinking Starlight was worth replacing with a changeling whatsoever in TWABA).
You may agree or disagree (I’m guessing the latter), but that’s just how Chrysalis is in my eyes: an egotistical yet intelligent villain who has recurring problems with underestimating potential threats.
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@AC97
Are you not yourself a proponent of the idea that she intended Twilight to kill Cadance? In any case, I’d say this is more a case of hindsight being 20/20. The escape of both prisoners can hardly be called the logical conclusion of that decision.
She was clearly paying enough attention to leap over and respond to Shining’s confused statement. Had she perceived them as a credible threat, though she had no reason to, she easily could’ve dispatched them right then.
Leaving aside any watsonian conjecture, what we know for sure is that Chrysalis failed to properly mimic Cadance’s personality for a duration, which she was able to attribute to stress. The reason for this is not specified.
One should also remember that she has Occam’s razor on her side. When someone is acting in an unusual manner, “replaced by a shapeshifter” is never the simplest explanation. Even Twilight never figured out she was an imposter based on her behaviour. She assumed Cadance had just become a much less pleasant person since she knew her.
While she obviously has an ego and such things can be hard to compare, I’d say that’s more than a little hyperbolic.
As I recall, Clone Twilight was plotting against her before she started threatening them. At any rate, this doesn’t change the fact that they betrayed her or that they were largely incompetent and self-destructive even before betraying her.
Not without reason. The three of them had already made light work of greater threats than a single demoralised alicorn and, as she pointed out, the friends she relied on were already in their possession.
Since we’re never shown who was right, it may not be as crazy as you think.
Whether or not Equestria would be warned is of little consequence when no defensive measure they have is sufficient to deal with the threat. If all Discord can do is warn Equestria, he really isn’t a substantial danger to the trio.
Yet another case of Chrysalis being extremely arrogant and complacent: she blew off Cozy Glow’s suggestion to go after Discord after they drained his powers, saying he isn’t a threat without magic.
If she went along with that idea and hunted him down, they could’ve attacked Equestria without any warning whatsoever.
Considering she sent Twilight directly to the same place as Cadance, when she had her spirit crushed at that point, and she wasn’t paying any real attention to Shining, Cadance, and Twilight, only noticing when it was too late, and the fact that she didn’t even bother to be polite while impersonating Cadance? Stuff like that leads me to believe she really isn’t as smart as she thinks she is. She’s got an ego comparable to Discord’s, probably worse, but she generally doesn’t have the power to back it up.
She also kinda brought the Mean Six betraying her on herself, considering the attempts to bully them into submission, which could slightly incentivize them to side against her.
The fact that she was portrayed as outright mocking Tirek’s apprehension about Twilight still being out there should say it all, not to mention her frankly batshit crazy idea to let the Windigos turn Equestria into a frozen wasteland before trying to kill them with their magic and rule over the undoubtedly decimated ponies left afterwards, which again, Tirek thought it was an unwise idea to leave them unchecked.
She’s extremely arrogant, and it overrides her pitiful common sense, even if she can come up with good ideas and get pretty far with some of them.
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TBF, can you really say she’s wrong?
Tirek almost could’ve won at that time, he made a mistake saving just a bit of magical powers to rule Equestria, letting the heroes go.
Indeed she isn’t.
She’s arrogant, and has an inability to take responsibility for her failures. It’s never her fault she fails, it’s either the heroes’ “because they cheat,” or because “servants always fail you in the end,” regardless of the part she played in failing.
She also likely has a strong desire to have a revenge scheme more complex than “slit their throats when they sleep,” due to that not being extravagant enough for her, not theatrical enough.
She may not be stupid, but she has an overly inflated opinion of her competence. No doubt, she was probably thinking that Starlight was just getting “lucky” by “cheating” in her fight with her, same with Pinkie and the others.
No surprise, considering she’s narcissistic, a bonafide malignant narcissist if there ever was one.
Tirek too sadly