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Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”
-Romans 1:18
Love how you got the comment section to shut up and see reason.
Modern Europe isn’t exactly religious, and they believe all of this stuff, so…
As Vree pointed out, “everything” was Christian territory. You either presented your discoveries as being of God or you were not listened to. Worse, imprisoned or harmed. See Galileo.
It is fortunate that in today’s world, we don’t have to tack on frivolous “God/Jesus” did it onto things. We can just focus on the facts and make discoveries.
As Vree also pointed out, “fundamentalists” have been a retarding force in the world forever. They are not representative of all of Christianity or other beliefs. They’re a segment of that community which favors tradition and opposes change. They’re the component of the community that cites “well, the Bible says…” rather than looks at new evidence and facts.
“Christianity” isn’t a monoloth that thinks and acts as one unanimous entity. The “fundamentalist” portion of it opposes the “progressive” portion of it. Meanwhile, those outside of that community have their own conservative/progressive components focused on other topics. The fact that Christianity dominated the landscape/culture of the time doesn’t give credit to Christianity for these discoveries. No more than Islam is especially relevant for having discovered algebra. It was the work of a few genius individuals who, by happenstance of birth, lived in a time and place that demanded a certain religion.
Look in the Bible. It doesn’t describe evolution nor the big bang. Apologists will attempt to point out how the Bible is compatible with new discoveries, but you’d never make those discoveries reading the Bible. You can only make discoveries about how reality actually is by observing reality itself. Reality is primary, and we can only attempt to better understand it. That it is a reality that may have some form of deity in it may be difficult, perhaps impossible, to figure out or prove, but a reality that has no deity is still coherent with all we’ve observed. Therefore, asserting not only that a deity must exist, but it is the particular deity of the Bible is a non-sequitur.
Charles Darwin did some great work observing nature and observing patterns in it. But he doesn’t own the concept of Evolution. Many men and women have walked the world after him, confirmed his discoveries, corrected his errors, and expanded upon his initial ideas. None of it requires a God to work, or even indicates a God is present. It explains the world around us in a way the Bible has failed to.
Thus, the argument of “Darwin was a Christian, therefore evolution is Christianity’s property” is ludicrous. It’s a scientific theory which explains reality. It also happens to contradict many things the Bible says or implies. Reality shows us that the Bible is a work of fiction. If you’re a fan of that fiction, cool. Just try not to be so disruptive with your fanboy antics, k?
Oblig.
It’s quite a lie to call them “fundamentalists”. All of these people were Christian progressives.The fundamentalists were the opposition. If you just say that the Church was a great patron of the sciences eg. in Darwin1s time that’s quite fair, but saying that it was the fundamentalist side who did this is not.
Mentions of god is hardly an argument considering a Chrisitianity dominated zeitgeist, where public positions and public schools were generally owned by the church. It’d have been quite impossible for many of these people to be openly atheistic and still participate in the public discourse.
Darwin himself was basically a bit of a cautoius coward who needed the threat of being overtaken by Wallace and the support of his atheist activist friend Huxley to own up to his nonfundamentalist views.
The descent of man from apes for example was intentionally left out (or ambigious) in Origin for that reason, but Darwin did side with the idea in later discource.
Darwin himself was definitely not a fundamentalist, having had a Christian upbringing but also influenced by a secretly freethinker father and a semi-heretic grandfather and ending his life as a cautious agnostic.
Not saying that your point has no merit but there’s no reason to exaggerate it.
“Our God Bigger Than Your God” by Spitting Images playing in the background
Funny how the religious scientists were criticized for using the Bible to legitimize their scientific research.
Darwin was attacked because he used Catholic doctrine as opposed to the Anglican he was raised in. LeMaitre was criticized because a definitive beginning of space and time was seen as overly too Christian. These are only examples for the first two theories.
Outside of America, all of these theories are considered Christian territory.
Funny, how religion only take these facts AFTER scientists discover them.
Darwin’s works literally credit evolution to the Christian God, and the Big Bang is until today considered the hallmark of Christian creationism outside of America.