Was my point from the beginning, but I feel like I did not convey my point good enough.
 
My best friends wife today was a bully at school (not one of mine, but still), but she also beat up guys 2 heads taller than her that attacked her bigger sister. Sorry, but that is badass.  
Why was she a bully, classic; not to be bullied herself like me and her sister.
 
(Thanks for recognizing that this is a secondary language for me.)

@Backgroundpony  
I see you’re distancing yourself from your initial statement, your argument now apparently being that bullies are people too. Obviously so; they’re very scummy people who hurt others because they think they can get away with it. Nobody said they weren’t human, but you said they were badass, and the only achievement in relation to the topic at hand is bullying. Unless you’re trying to say that “Yea, the guy who beats up little kids is a jerk, but what if he’s a really great soccer player?”
 
I get the feeling that English isn’t your first language, and if not, I’d probably be picking on you for your failure to use and understand words, so I’ll leave it at that.

@Background Pony #59FB  
Eyup… you are totally ignoring everything that was said.
 
 
Bullying not an achievment.  
Bully(Person) more than just the bullying.  
Person can be shit in one way and great a different way.
 
No need to excuse anything here.

@Backgroundpony  
Again, you seem to be skimming over the fact that the ‘achievement’ you’re praising is not an achievement at all. It’s like using the turret of a tank to blow up an anthill, which you seem to think is this awesome display of power regardless of how it’s applied.
 
But by all means, keep making excuses for your utterly borked philosophy.

@Background Pony #59FB  
“know your enemy know yourself.”  
I am here a few years to late, but I could have escaped the circle of harassment and bullying if I had realised a few things earlier.
 
 
But you don´t want to listen because you have your fixxed idea and it seems you need me to be wrong. So okay I am wrong feel better?
 
One can condem an action without condeming a person.  
One can praise an achievement without liking a person.

@Backgroundpony  
I get the impression that you’re trying to justify bullying, possibly by blaming the victims for being weak enough to pick on. It takes an extremely scummy person to exploit that weakness in the first place, which you seem to think is badass. Is that your point here?

@Background Pony #59FB  
You do know bullies have a life besides the bullying right?  
Or are your bullies that shallow that they only pick on you?
 
What puts them in the power to bully you?  
Your weaknesses or their strength?
 
Bully Victim myself for my schooldays.  
And admitedly they exploited my weakness in certain areas.  
But they also fleed when it came to my strength.

@Backgroundpony  
The achievement in question is picking on easy targets and those who can’t/won’t fight back. That is what you’re defending here.

@Background Pony #59FB
 
@Background Pony #59FB  

 
If you can not see the achievements of your enemies beyond your personal feelings it says also alot about you. But maybe you need a few more years to understand that.

@Backgroundpony  

 
This statement alone. If you don’t see the problem, there’s no helping you.
 

 
It’s kinda not, and I’m pretty sure sneaking around and relying on lies and manipulation (which Sunset did when intimidation she couldn’t back up didn’t get her what she wanted) is behavior most would consider cowardly. Some degree of courage is required to even make the attempt, but Sunset was so delusional and egotistical that I doubt she thought hard about it. Or, any of her plans during that movie.
 

 
Is anyone here saying either party is ‘badass’? Personally, I never cared for the DBZ ripoff that ended up not going anywhere, and the pretty rainbow lasers powered by friendship probably weren’t ever supposed to be ‘badass’ either.

@Background Pony #59FB  
Nothing to do with admire.  
Everyone agrees that she is better as a good guy.
 
Sunset was outclassed by Celestia, Luna, Cadence and Twilight in Equestria. If she could take them down she would not have to steal the crown to begin with. But hey sneaking into an enemy castle too get the artifact of power is not bold at all no no no no no.
 
“Power that was not her own” Twilight VS Tirek.  
Elements of harmony.

@Backgroundpony  
She waited until the dead of night with intention of never even being noticed. Not exactly bold.  
She had one paper-thin smear video made, the effect undone in minutes because Sunset herself was such and awful person that rallying against her was a no-brainer when someone willing showed up. To say nothing of her ridiculous, pitiful plans constantly failing. Not exactly brilliant.  
She used raw power that wasn’t hers and almost immediately betrayed her. Not exactly impressive.
 
There is nothing ‘badass’ about picking on those weaker than you, and that’s all the old Sunset ever did. But hey, if that’s the kind of person you admire, I think it says all that need be said about you.
 
 
@PonyPon  
I did not know that trope name, thank you. :)

@Background Pony #59FB  
What you’re thinking of is closer to a Heel Face Downgrade.

@Background Pony #59FB  
#notall
 
Sorry but bullies CAN be pretty badass.
 
Evil Sunset stole the crown under Twilight´s nose with enough skill and audacity  
played her like a fool  
destroyed the School entrance
 
and was only defeated to friendship hacks noone understands to this day.

@PonyPon  
I don’t know if there’s a name for the Hero variant, but it means that ‘always a badass’ does not apply. Not that Sunset was one of those to start unless we consider bullies ‘badass.’ :/

@Background Pony #59FB  
I think you have to remain a villain for that to apply.

@blacksunset  
Interestingly she still had too much heart to hurt a puppy.

Her past is not today.

@Sonic Ranger  
Have you heard of ‘Villain Decay’? It’s exactly what it sounds like.

@Background Pony #946D  

 
You’re so right.

And she was absolutely adorable.  

Eh she was kinda unlikable as a bully (not a lot of time to develop her as a ‘villain’ in the movie so it’s not her fault)
 
So adorable Sunset for the win

she was also cute before that.
 
Apperance =/= Behavior

yeah. needless to say, she`s better off reformed…

Once a badass, always a badass.