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Well I'm obviously not the only one who thinks you were trying to say Celestia is somehow a giant asshole for banishing her sister despite why she actually did it so you should probably word your arguments better. And still... You're speculating about things that there is not only no evidence for, but the show itself is structured in a way to suggest your theory isn't true.
"If the elements could fix her 1000 years later they **PROBABLY** could have worked at the time she was banished" While there is little that suggests that isn't true, there's nothing to suggest it is. Again Celestia only rightfully bore half of the elements before, and it's implied that Luna and Celestia basically were playing the role of the future mane six at the time, which means that at that moment the whole idea of friendship and its power was split, therefore she could not get a true good ending, only a temporary solution. Sucks for Luna yeah, but that's not Celestia's fault. Nothing beyond what ever kind of emotional neglect that led up to that moment she went nuts at least and this point isn't really a valid one to use.
So she was rescued with the same thing that banished her - that doesn't prove it could have been used before a thousand years passed. Again there's nothing to suggest Celestia would have purposefully waited or screwed around in all that time just because. It's more likely she spent just as long trying to find a way to fix the situation, and the fact she started teaching the magic of friendship is evidence for that. She was trying to create pupils who could someday bare the elements in a way she apparently couldn't anymore, and failed several times. Sunset Shimmer is an example of one of her failed attempts. If in the Pilot Celestia herself actually used all of the elements of harmony to save Luna, after NOTHING HAD CHANGED between when she banished her and when she brought her back, that would be evidence that Celestia could have rescued her sister a day later instead of a thousand years later. But that's not how it happened, therefore the fact the same /tools/ were used for both actions DOES NOT PROVE Celestia fucked around for a thousand years. There's more evidence she was trying to find a way to get them to work right again for all that time and they weren't just going to work with her alone.
"Celestia could have took the time to study the elements more" Yeah, not when she's literally under attack and Luna is literally in the middle of trying to take over the world. If you mean that AFTER the banishment, you still don't know what she was canonically doing for a thousand years. Again there's still more evidence that this is exactly what she was doing as opposed to screwing around or neglecting the idea. Instead of shitting on her for taking a thousand years to finally finish, maybe it's instead commendable that she might have actually spent a thousand years trying in secret.
"She could have found the time beforehand to prepare" Yeah that's exactly what I'm sure she was beating herself up for over a thousand years but that's hardly a fair criticism. If she didn't fail in some way we'd have no conflict and no story, and its heavily implied she had a lot of guilt for not seeing what Luna was becoming or being there to stop it from happening before it happened. Again she's not perfect, Luna didn't just go crazy for no reason, though we're still not shown much of exactly what led to it.
"she could have captured NM" YEAH LOL SO IN OTHER WORDS SHE COULD HAVE WON. Yeah. That's true - she could have won the fight. But that's essentially like saying "get gud". You could say that to literally anyone who's ever lost anything ever and that wouldn't be advice, that's just trash talk. If you meant she could have studied NM after the banishment, again you have no way of knowing that's not what she was doing or trying to do for a thousand years. That's still not a valid thing to use against her.
And to go back on a previous comment, I had wrongfully assumed maybe you read a comic I hadn't that implied Luna was hated by the public and constantly ridiculed and berated and whatnot and I took your word for it when you said that. But if that other guy calling you out is right, that's also a wrong thing to assume. You can't just say something happened in a certain way without actually knowing if it happened that way. All the show at least states is that Luna was upset that everyone slept during the night and she felt like she wasn't getting enough attention or appreciation. That's not literally being hated on by the kingdom at a daily basis and her "raising the moon every night despite the hurtfulness and the hard work building up inside" is not a valid conclusion. For all we know she was as eager as she could be to raise the night and make it better and better every night but was only uspet because still no one really stayed up to see it. That's still different from being bullied and picked on while you do your work. Also you say Luna only wanted to imprison her sister. That's also a wrong thing to assume and shouldn't be used to build more sympathy, because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NIGHTMARE MOON WOULD HAVE DONE. We can assume it wouldn't have gotten bloody only because the show's rating wouldn't put characters in such peril, but they can still get away with implying something like that was avoided without explicitly stating that could have happened. You also said all she did was "make the night a few hours longer one day which led to being banished for a thousand years" which is probably the worst part of the whole comment and the reason everyone's reacting this way to you. Again, she literally declared she was going to be THE ONLY PRINCESS and that the night will last forever. The way you said it made it sound like that was implying that Celestia's reaction was unwarranted.
If you were saying all this to just explore how unfortunate Luna's situation was, without actually trying to justify her actions and without just laying all the blame on Celestia and painting her as a lazy, neglectful asshole who deserved it, then you're the one at fault for not making any of this clear because your wording and the context was awful. I made a comment making fun of the OP for skewing the situation to make it look like one sister is just a complete unwarranted asshole, by reminding there was a reason the banishment happened. You would be right to explore that further and talk about how the opposite wasn't true as well - that Luna isn't just a complete asshole - but ironically the way you said it just made it look like you were going right back to the other side of the scale that the OP's image is at. It really looks like you're just piling on one thing after another as reasons for why Celestia was wrong for banishing Luna and that we should hate her.
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Well I'm obviously not the only one who thinks you were trying to say Celestia is somehow a giant asshole for banishing her sister despite why she actually did it so you should probably word your arguments better. And still... You're speculating about things that there is not only no evidence for, but the show itself is structured in a way to suggest your theory isn't true.
"If the elements could fix her 1000 years later they **PROBABLY** could have worked at the time she was banished" While there is little that suggests that isn't true, there's nothing to suggest it is. Again Celestia only rightfully bore half of the elements before, and it's implied that Luna and Celestia basically were playing the role of the future mane six at the time, which means that at that moment the whole idea of friendship and its power was split, therefore she could not get a true good ending, only a temporary solution. Sucks for Luna yeah, but that's not Celestia's fault. Nothing beyond what ever kind of emotional neglect that led up to that moment she went nuts at least and this point isn't really a valid one to use.
So she was rescued with the same thing that banished her - that doesn't prove it could have been used before a thousand years passed. Again there's nothing to suggest Celestia would have purposefully waited or screwed around in all that time just because. It's more likely she spent just as long trying to find a way to fix the situation, and the fact she started teaching the magic of friendship is evidence for that. She was trying to create pupils who could someday bare the elements in a way she apparently couldn't anymore, and failed several times. Sunset Shimmer is an example of one of her failed attempts. If in the Pilot Celestia herself actually used all of the elements of harmony to save Luna, after NOTHING HAD CHANGED between when she banished her and when she brought her back, that would be evidence that Celestia could have rescued her sister a day later instead of a thousand years later. But that's not how it happened, therefore the fact the same /tools/ were used for both actions DOES NOT PROVE Celestia fucked around for a thousand years. There's more evidence she was trying to find a way to get them to work right again for all that time and they weren't just going to work with her alone.
"Celestia could have took the time to study the elements more" Yeah, not when she's literally under attack and Luna is literally in the middle of trying to take over the world. If you mean that AFTER the banishment, you still don't know what she was canonically doing for a thousand years. Again there's still more evidence that this is exactly what she was doing as opposed to screwing around or neglecting the idea. Instead of shitting on her for taking a thousand years to finally finish, maybe it's instead commendable that she might have actually spent a thousand years trying in secret.
"She could have found the time beforehand to prepare" Yeah that's exactly what I'm sure she was beating herself up for over a thousand years but that's hardly a fair criticism. If she didn't fail in some way we'd have no conflict and no story, and its heavily implied she had a lot of guilt for not seeing what Luna was becoming or being there to stop it from happening before it happened. Again she's not perfect, Luna didn't just go crazy for no reason, though we're still not shown much of exactly what led to it.
"she could have captured NM" YEAH LOL SO IN OTHER WORDS SHE COULD HAVE WON. Yeah. That's true - she could have won the fight. But that's essentially like saying "get gud". You could say that to literally anyone who's ever lost anything ever and that wouldn't be advice, that's just trash talk. If you meant she could have studied NM after the banishment, again you have no way of knowing that's not what she was doing or trying to do for a thousand years. That's still not a valid thing to use against her.
And to go back on a previous comment, I had wrongfully assumed maybe you read a comic I hadn't that implied Luna was hated by the public and constantly ridiculed and berated and whatnot and I took your word for it when you said that. But if that other guy calling you out is right, that's also a wrong thing to assume. You can't just say something happened in a certain way without actually knowing if it happened that way. All the show at least states is that Luna was upset that everyone slept during the night and she felt like she wasn't getting enough attention or appreciation. That's not literally being hated on by the kingdom at a daily basis and her "raising the moon every night despite the hurtfulness and the hard work building up inside" is not a valid conclusion. For all we know she was as eager as she could be to raise the night and make it better and better every night but was only uspet because still no one really stayed up to see it. That's still different from being bullied and picked on while you do your work. Also you say Luna only wanted to imprison her sister. That's also a wrong thing to assume and shouldn't be used to build more sympathy, because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NIGHTMARE MOON WOULD HAVE DONE. We can assume it wouldn't have gotten bloody only because the show's rating wouldn't put characters in such peril, but they can still get away with implying something like that was avoided without explicitly stating that could have happened. You also said all she did was "make the night a few hours longer one day which led to being banished for a thousand years" which is probably the worst part of the whole comment and the reason everyone's reacting this way to you. Again, she literally declared she was going to be THE ONLY PRINCESS and that the night will last forever. The way you said it made it sound like that was implying that Celestia's reaction was unwarranted.
If you were saying all this to just explore how unfortunate Luna's situation was, without actually trying to justify her actions and without just laying all the blame on Celestia and painting her as a lazy, neglectful asshole who deserved it, then you're the one at fault for not making any of this clear because your wording and the context was awful. I made a comment making fun of the OP for skewing the situation to make it look like one sister is just a complete unwarranted asshole, by reminding there was a reason the banishment happened. You would be right to explore that further and talk about how the opposite wasn't true as well - that Luna isn't just a complete asshole - but ironically the way you said it just made it look like you were going right back to the other side of the scale that the OP's image is at. It really looks like you're just piling on one thing after another as reasons for why Celestia was wrong for banishing Luna and that we should hate her.