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Not only is it FiM’s anniversary, but The Orange Box’s too!
Please don’t misinterpret this as an attack on the show.
Please don’t misinterpret this as an attack on the show.
Never stated that. What I did was point out how what you said about it being a dead game specifically because of it never getting any updates was false.
Getting a major update every two weeks isn’t something really special, if you update it to just add in one or two new guns, maybe a new character or a single map. That’s what usually happens during each of those updates in a “mainstream game.” Along with that, TF2 has been out for 10 years, and games usually have no updates after the first 3 years, with most of the bugs being gone and the game being complete. Updates add new content and fix bugs, sometimes reworking various things, and when you have a game that’s 10 years old it usually isn’t updated often. Also, how long something is entertaining for is subjective. You can find a game so boring you quit after 1 minute and another may find it so enthralling that they spend hundreds of hours playing. To say “fun to play for more than 3 hours” is honestly not a point because everything except the worst things has people that are enthralled, and people who don’t like it. The people who don’t like it usually don’t because it’s of a genre, or it has a certain art style, or due to the lore/story. The other people who dislike it do so because they come from a competitor and they act like fanboys, such as an Overwatch player attacking Paladins simply because the Overwatch player likes Overwatch. Either way, the idea of fun is subjective.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with an update being very spaced out if the game has been out for a while. Updates will come out quickly when a game first launches, but a game that’s been out for a long time is not constantly updated. However, the thing is, you’re still committing the logical fallacy of Moving the Goalposts. You said “never” and when I pointed out that there was an update being released, you changed it to “takes too long.” I also notice that you don’t try to counteract my point about player count.
Yeah I did say that TF2 never get any updates. Just because TF2 finally gets an update one year later, its no longer a dead game? Try again. I don’t care what’s there excuse for not having any updates. You can tell that to players who are playing games that are considered mainstream, have high player count, fun to play for more than three hours, and get two weeks update.
If it takes one to three years just to give an update (shitty update or not), then there’s something wrong and they can try to explain that to players who are ready to leave.
Your point was that the game never gets any updates and doesn’t have many people playing it. I have shown that the game does, in fact, get updated. Yes, it takes a long time for the updates to come out, but to quote you directly,
I counteract your words. Do not shift the goalpost from “never” to “it takes a long time.” That’s a logical fallacy. As for the player count part, TF2 has more players on at the low point in the day than Paladins, which is a game that is certainly not dead, has at the high point. It also has a higher player count in the low point and the high point than Payday 2. TF2 doesn’t beat out games like PUBG or DOTA 2, but to say that it’s dead because of that is like saying that about 375 cities in the State of California are all dead because they have a population count that is less than 60,000. Yes, New York has over 8 million people, but that doesn’t mean that these smaller cities are all dead, barren ghost towns.
And I’m laughing because it took a year for a new update for TF2. I’m laughing even harder because before then, it took three years for a new update after Expiration Date. Meanwhile, all other games that aren’t Valve related (exception of Dota 2), gets a two weeks update. So nice try. Your game is dead. Get over it. XD
And I’m just here laughing because its a 4-DAY UPDATE!
Something a bit relevant just came up today, and it’s this video.
This is the trailer for Jungle Inferno, the next update to Team Fortress 2. This video was released today, about 5-6 hours ago.
I’m still trying to understand how 60,000 average players is dead
You can still find people to play with, with ease.
I can I say its only really dead when it drops below 30,000, cause that’s when it actually starts affecting how quickly you can find a proper game. Public or community.
Even if you say its dead, its still a pretty fun and as I mentioned, its not hard to find full games.
Besides, games with the larger playerbases just haven’t interested me.
Although I’m beggining suspect you keep saying TF2 is dead just because you don’t enjoy it anymore.
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Basically
Although the main guy behind Team Fortress, Robin Walker, did work on the sequel as well
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Oh but just because there are 100 players playing that game, doesn’t mean it’s dead.
Thanks for the info. So if Valve bought it, does that mean the people who created Team Fortress 2 are different from the ones that created the mod?
The existence of better games does not mean a game is dead. There’s a decent sized number of people who enjoy TF2, enough that you don’t notice a lack of people when you go into matchmaking. I consider a game to be dead if it’s like Battleborne.
Yeah pretty much. Why would you want to waste your time playing a game that barely have any players playing both community server and matchmaking maps when there are better and updated games that offers the same? I don’t want to play a free to play game that never gets any updates nor barely have high player counts. Sorry you can’t accept the fact TF2 is dead and that there are better games. shrug
Team Fortress started as a Quake mod and was then picked up by Valve to sell as their own full game.
Team Fortress 2 is a sequel and grew much more popular due to majorly refining what the first game did and with a nice, defining aesthetic to boot.
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So what I can infer from your words is that TF2 is a dead game just cause it doesn’t have millions of players?
Lots of players or no, TF2 at its core is a damn good game and player counts shouldn’t really dictate that.
Of course, if TF2 bleeds 90% of its players rapidly over the course of a week-month, then its a dead game.
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Thank you for proving my point on what’s dead and what isn’t. If playerbases are in the thousands while other popular games are in the millions, then its either a dead game, or its dying slowly.
If you consider TF2 to be a dead game, allow me to list other games that would be considered dead:
Literally every single game on Steam except for Dota 2, CS:GO, PUBG, and Warframe. Every other game on there is considered dead to you. However, various actual examples: GTA V, Middle Earth Shadow of War(You know, the thing that just came out), Payday 2, H1Z1, Rainbow Six, Rust, Total War: Warhammer (one and two), Unturned, Paladins, Terraria, Path of Exile, Dead by Daylight, Black Desert Online, the original Counter Strike, Garry’s Mod, and a lot of other games that still have plenty of players. I would consider TF2 to be not dead, given that those games, the majority of which are multiplayer or have a multiplayer focus, are still very much popular.
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The only thing I know about the games is that Team Fortress 2 is a popular multiplayer game and I have seen the characters all over the place. Oh and that the name “Team Fortress 2” seems to suggest it’s a sequel to something. That’s about it.
Depends on how you define “original.”
The Quake mod?
The updated Goldsrc mod?
The “Team Fortress Classic” commercialized version?
Oh shiiiit, mainstreamer alert.
It was alot less cartoony and didn’t have such distinct character to its player classes.
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Yeah, TF2 is a dead game. Where a game that gets thousands to ten thousand players a day or a week versus games that have millions to hundred million players per day or week, follow by Valve not focusing on TF2…yeah its pretty much a dead game, regardless of how many are playing today.
So you’re using numbers as an absolute measure. By that account, the fact that there are 55k players indeed points to a game that is NOT dead. Dead means no one plays it.
When did I say I was obsessed? I used the most popular video games as of now both outside and inside of Steam as examples of which games has more playerbase than TF2.
Fine, PUBG is added too. Don’t even know nor do I care.