@Pagan  
There is no putting the pieces together because there are no pieces to put together. You’re making assumptions. Assumptions are not fact. There is no proof of denial of being given love. That point is invalid.
 
Once again, we know that the ponies know where Discord was and they had methods of stopping him meaning that attempting to reform Discord is a much less riskier than trying to reform someone they might not even know where she was and did not have any true form of control over her.
 
Your assumption on the peace thing only works if Chrysalis wasn’t a selfish tyrant who was in it more for power grabbing.
 
Discord attempted to teleport to Fluttershy, a person who he regularly spends time around. It makes sense he could find some way to track her and teleport to her in comparison to Chrysalis who we don’t know if he’s ever had any sort of interaction with, ever. It makes far more sense that he wouldn’t be able to teleport to an unknown rather to a complete known.
 
Queen Chrysalis: So I could feed, of course! By replacing the most beloved figures in Equestria, my drones will be able to store all the love meant for them and return it here to me. Everypony will do as I command, and my subjects and I will feed on their love for generations! [maniacal laughter]
 
Chrysalis’s actual lines from the show. Tell me how this doesn’t sound like a tyrant or her motivation for power and control.
 
And when Thorax transforms in front of her and everyone is against her, she completely denies a better way to live with no hunger for revenge.

@Background Pony #63F2  
Citation needed.

@kztxl7  
Yes we have no proof but as we saw receiving love freely makes them no longer hungry and they were still hungry, hence you can put the pieces together. Discord was still a massive threat who did nothing to show he would be willing to join them yet they still took the risk anyway the ponies also didn’t know about the throne so that becomes a moot point as they had every reason to believe they could handle a non super charged Chrysalis yet still made no attempt.
 
I say never had peace because once again if they were given love any one of them for that matter not just Chrysalis they wouldn’t be hungry and yet they are.
 
All Discord knew was that Fluttershy was in the Changeling kingdom with no information on where that was yet he teleported them to the kingdom, not a leap in logic he could try to teleport to Chrysalis. There’s also still the fact they never even attempted to ask discord or anything even if for some reason they found out he couldn’t.
 
Again there was no information that there was a better way to feed not even Thorax knew till it actually happened to him, that’s like saying your leader is a tyrant because he doesn’t know how to make it rain. There’s nothing showing us her only motivation is power, during the invasion she told them to feed and said nothing about storing it or bringing it back to her and when she mentioned having it brought to her in the finale they are in the hive, meaning they had no access to love and of course would require some to be brought to her as well as the others.
 
The show only has so much time to show us everything and the finale and other episodes was already rushed, so yes the lack of any visible or mentioned harm along with her caring for the newborns is a pretty big factor. You can’t just call someone a bad parent despite the child being perfectly fine and having no problem with them.

@Pagan  
Well I’d your job is being civil, you don’t do a good job at it. You do get pretty aggressive.

@kztxl7  
And speaking of Walls of Texts…

@Pagan  
Counter Question: What proof do you have that ponies denied them love? Preferably before the Changeling Invasion, an incident which would justify denying them love as they were an enemy invading force.
 
It’s really a rhetorical question because there is none. There is no proof that they were given or denied love meaning saying they “had to fight for it” is an invalid point because there is nothing saying that had to do it in the first place.
 
The Discord and Chrysalis comparison does not work at all. The only similarities they had were that they were/are both villains.
 
Of course Discord got “special” treatment. They knew where he was. They had him contained and they had access to the Elements of Harmony at the time, the one force they knew could beat him.
 
There is nothing noting that they knew where the Changeling Kingdom was located and mind you Discord attempted to teleport to Fluttershy, not to the Changeling Kingdom so he might not have know their location if they had asked.
 
And even if they did know, she was protected by a magic stealing throne that stole all magic except Changeling Magic.
 
Chrysalis does not need to be shown physically harming her subjects because she was doing it anyway with her incredibly selfish ideals. Food and water are the most basic and most important necessities and she knows Changelings suffer a constant hunger but she cares more for being on top than she does for solving the hunger problem as shown by how she wasn’t even willing to give peace a try.
 
She was shown nothing like Celestia and just because you put her next to a changeling baby rubbing its head doesn’t suddenly make her caring. That’s would be like saying Hitler is caring because you have a picture of him kissing a baby. The show paints her more a tyrant than a mother.
 
“the changelings have never had peace”? That sounds like headcanon unless you have an actual statement or proof from the show and not your own personal interpretation.
 
You are interjecting a lot of your own personal interpretations into this rather than what is actual presented to you.

@PonyPon  
Yeah once I posted it I realized how long it was and by then I couldn’t edit it, will keep it sparse or post it in a PM next time.

@Pagan  
All the same, I’d try to keep from going full block-o-text in the future.

@Blissey1  
He unsubs from everything and announces it in the comments everytime, it’s just a discussion no personal attacks or anything and if anyone tries to escalate it I’m dropping it as I want it to remain civil just like it was here. >>1330975

@Pagan  
you know he unsubed because of you, right
 
and I’d do the same if I didn’t have to keep on eye on this for when it inevitably escalates

@northern haste  
Buh bye.

Unsub  

@kztxl7  
And where is the proof that ponies were giving them love? Chrysalis wasn’t given a chance till her hive was magically changed right in front of her, had they made any attempts to make peace with them before waiting for her to start another plan she might have ended up like Discord but nope only discord gets special treatment. They waited till After they had already changed her kind and likely would have done it to her regardless. Discord was freed and given the opportunity to join them on his terms and with time to get to know them Chrysalis wasn’t given a chance till she made another attempt at an invasion and after her species was mutated she had no reason to believe or join them compared to Discord who got tons of special treatment. So yes she swore revenge on the person responsible for ruining her kingdom and subjects and she was completely justified in that regard. they had ample time between season 3 and season 6 to do the same with chrysalis, they knew she lived in the wastelands and discord teleported them right there so he could have easily gotten them all there to at least attempt something, they knew Chrysalis would return she said she would yet instead of trying to attempt peace they just waited. So it’s okay to wake up Discord and work things out with him before things go wrong with him again but it’s not okay to do the same with Chrysalis despite having plenty of time to do so. They could have sent an army to protect the mane six or an ambassador or even made some kind of an attempt at anything instead of waiting for the inevitable, there’s always a risk to attempt peace that doesn’t mean it should be disregarded.
 
Chrysalis has never been shown doing harm to her subjects other than Thorax and that’s because he was a traitor who was helping the enemy, no defectors, no outcries, nothing is ever shown the changelings were mistreated and we see her in the hatchery watching and caring for the grubs she is literally shown to be just like Celestia except she’s a different species and is a lot more aggressive to outsiders. You can say whatever you want about Chrysalis but what we have seen in the show leans more to the idea she is a motherly leader to her kind more than anything else.
 
the changelings have never had peace before and if they made an attempt at it it would have a small chance at succeeding and would tip off the enemy they might attack soon, it’s better to have the guaranteed element of surprise than a small chance at peace. They had no reason to believe Starlight and they were winning, Why would they throw away all they’ve accomplished when they are winning and it’s likely the person is lying to try and save themselves or turn the tables? You are looking at it from an outside perspective you have all the information they don’t they have to look at what is the most logical thing to do with the information they have. I’m not saying Starlight was wrong quite the opposite but they had no reason to believe or help her and she’s not a changeling and therefore would not know more about them than they already do.
 
Chrysalis was not shown proof of a better way they didn’t show her they no longer had to feed and Starlight was losing they had every reason to suspect she was lying and she was already on the verge of giving her people what they needed. A Tyrant is someone who knowingly hurts their own people Chrysalis never hurt or denied them anything they were told to feed she cared for the children she did everything a leader should, She’s almost portrayed better than Celestia at least Chrysalis helps her people in the dangerous moments even putting herself alone behind enemy lines for her people.

@Pagan  
“Fight for the right to eat”?
 
That would imply they were being denied love in the first place but there is no canonical evidence prior to the changeling invasion that they were.
 
She’s an outright selfish prick that even when a potential and eventually proven method to end the constant hunger of her people is staring her in the face she slaps it away because of revenge and she wants to be the one on top.
 
Sounds like a tyrant to me.

@RIG  
That’s basically killing her anyway.

@ObliviaTheChangeling  
@PonyPon  
Also they all turn into this, even the ones that took joy in the misery of others. Their exterior doesn’t change their interior.
 
@Pagan  
I still want to see one that would do anything for her subjects, even enslaving others to keep her children safe.

@ObliviaTheChangeling  
They no longer have any contrast to anything else in the show now and to have to change something so entirely just to accept it is a terrible message. How does fighting for the right to eat make you a tyrant? We see her with the children we see her telling her subjects to feed we see her let them have free reign of canterlot and her own kingdom. Saying she’s a tyrant doesn’t work because there is no evidence to support that at all. Tired of people trying to pull that as an excuse with nothing to back it up.

@ObliviaTheChangeling  
It’s an aesthetic thing. It seems that a lot of people do not like the specific design choices. And that’s okay, because opinions are thing. You’re not going to change someone’s personal taste by pointing out something that doesn’t even factor into why they dislike it.

I telling you, they will use magic bullshit to turn chrysalis into a baby and give her another chance  
>inb4 complains  
The other option is outright killing her, but this show will never do that.

@ObliviaTheChangeling  
They’re as individual as the crystal ponies.

And yet I see no problem with the new Changeling designs. They’re still bug ponies like before. But instead of indistinguishable drones under a tyranical queen, their new design and colors show they’ve become individuals. Their design shows they’re still their own race, but that their society has become more like that of ponies.

10/10 explanation!

@kztxl7  
After Twilicorn these changeling designs have been some of the biggest amount of butthurt I’ve seen from the fandom so far, honestly. I don’t remember Flash or any other major thing getting quite as much flak. Also, I feel like Starlight got almost nothing by comparison. I know I saw her redemption coming a mile away.

Also she is a queen so she could end up with a big ant queen butt.

I agree with Chrysi.
 
Those moose antlers aren’t nearly as cool as Thorax’s.