Background Pony #1BE8
"@habitantunholycity":/1306208#comment_6478331
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>"@Background Pony
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I'm not really here to recommend stories and I wouldn't do such a thing unless i was asked to, i'm just using examples as illustrations. [/bq]
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
"The very cliches you argue make the story bad (and quite frankly I never had a problem with the pacing of the writing) are also present in this show."
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> One of the criticisms i held towards it was that the raiders are essentially an always chaotic evil race for the protagonists to endlessly slaughter without moral dilemma.[/bq]
Sure, however these 'characters' are also not the only thing going on in the story. There are more then one faction in this story and the raiders as a whole are practically irrelevant. They're more of an example of the retardation caused from the lack of order. In fact one of the 'evil' characters that littlepip fights against can have arguments made for him that what he's doing is right.
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
> No such group or faction exists in the show.[/bq]
Sure, no ponies are cutting people up (because it's a kids show). However they have shown actively trying to destroy the world as they knew it. And granted even in the comics there is actual dismemberment.
The entire purpose of the scenes is to show to the character as well as anyone people not familiar with the setting (if that's possible) the immediate differences between the settings.
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
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> And an overuse of cliches can and often times_*is_* what makes a story bad, see Eragon for a perfect example of this.[/bq]
Then it's a good thing that isn't what happens here. As already shown, you'd have no idea what cliches were and were not used in this story. And the ones that have been offered in this comment thread already have already been argued against.
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> "habitantunholycity"]
"This character also has flaws which evolve as the story progesses, in fact if there wasn’t any this picture couldn’t exist."
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> Again, i didn't argue to the contrary. My point was not that they hand't, rather was that the events that triggered such personal metamorphoses can only exist in the realm of bad genre fiction.
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"I don't like the way the character evolved over the course of a story I didn't read."
Well, I can't really argue with that can I?
I guess I can take the same approach and say every example story you provided is actually terrible, at least now we would be on equal footing.
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> "habitantunholycity"]
"What i'm here for" is completely irrelevant because i'm here to look at pictures, not to read. Regardless of what your philosophy on aesthetics is, I doubt you'd argue they're the same for prose/poetry and visual arts.[/bq]
Well no, as you use things that you describe as good for justification of why it's bad. So by liking something that is bad by the same story requirements you're contradicting your reasoning. Being animated does not remove the the presence of writing from a show.
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> And the difference is that i consider MLP entertainment. Entertainment is better suited for the TV, and 22 long episodes with endearing characters are the perfect model for this. The only common thing between all the examples i've given you is that they tend to stay on the more artful end of the spectrum. I don't think there's anything wrong with entertainment, but just like art, there is good entertainment and bad entertainment.[/bq]
And in the same merit what is good and bad varies by person, so because you like MLP you've made an exception to the rule for yourself.
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I'm not really here to recommend stories and I wouldn't do such a thing unless i was asked to, i'm just using examples as illustrations. [/bq]
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
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> One of the criticisms i held towards it was that the raiders are essentially an always chaotic evil race for the protagonists to endlessly slaughter without moral dilemma.
Sure, however these 'characters' are also not the only thing going on in the story. There are more then one faction in this story and the raiders as a whole are practically irrelevant. They're more of an example of the retardation caused from the lack of order. In fact one of the 'evil' characters that littlepip fights against can have arguments made for him that what he's doing is right.
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
> No such group or faction exists in the show.
Sure, no ponies are cutting people up (because it's a kids show). However they have shown actively trying to destroy the world as they knew it. And granted even in the comics there is actual dismemberment.
The entire purpose of the scenes is to show to the character as well as anyone people not familiar with the setting (if that's possible) the immediate differences between the settings.
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
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> And an overuse of cliches can and often times
Then it's a good thing that isn't what happens here. As already shown, you'd have no idea what cliches were and were not used in this story. And the ones that have been offered in this comment thread already have already been argued against.
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> Again, i didn't argue to the contrary. My point was not that they hand't, rather was that the events that triggered such personal metamorphoses can only exist in the realm of bad genre fiction.
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"I don't like the way the character evolved over the course of a story I didn't read."
Well, I can't really argue with that can I?
I guess I can take the same approach and say every example story you provided is actually terrible, at least now we would be on equal footing.
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Well no, as you use things that you describe as good for justification of why it's bad. So by liking something that is bad by the same story requirements you're contradicting your reasoning. Being animated does not remove the the presence of writing from a show.
[bq="habitantunholycity"]
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> And the difference is that i consider MLP entertainment. Entertainment is better suited for the TV, and 22 long episodes with endearing characters are the perfect model for this. The only common thing between all the examples i've given you is that they tend to stay on the more artful end of the spectrum. I don't think there's anything wrong with entertainment, but just like art, there is good entertainment and bad entertainment.
And in the same merit what is good and bad varies by person, so because you like MLP you've made an exception to the rule for yourself.