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I’m not doing anything to the comments other than telling everyone in them to knock it off and actually discuss the image.
“that’s somehow justifies this totally being a case of Rarijack in the show”
that is LITERALLY the opposite of what i said like three times now.
@TheLoneLampman
excuse me for replying, but come on, how can i not reply when someone blatantly lies or is delusional about what i say? If you feel the need to remove this comment or whatever then, please do his latest one too.
Stop, please.
Talk about the image.
Holy hell you’re confusing. Really, you’re just baffling and for some reason you’re pretending you aren’t. So we can establish that platonic friends can hold hands, but because lesbians also hold hands, that’s somehow justifies this totally being a case of Rarijack in the show? What? I don’t know what you’re doing, but looks like I’m not the only one saying you don’t really make any sense here. This was only about it not really making sense to tag as “Rarijack”, “Lesbian” and “shippimg” when it was first uploaded, but sense then the tags have remained removed.
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holy fucking shit
“talking about anything but people misinterpreting screencaps.”
so did i. All that other stuff was to explain my position because people seem to think “this image doesn’t imply friendship” equals “these are lesbians and i won’t take no for an answer! TRIGGERED”
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Look at the comment i replied to in my initial comment. It’s right there. I wasn’t the one who brought it up, i merely responded
Why on earth would you bring that up on this picture then?
“There’s no precedence for this to be platonic, no implications or statements in-show, no word of god, nothing.”
your move
seriously, stop this, I AM NOT SAYING THIS ARE LESBIANS, get this already! I am saying just two girls holding hands doesn’t necessarily mean they are just friend, or even if they claim to be just friends that they would be more in a more open viewed society.
In other words, i do what you do just with different terms
There’s no precedence for this to be romantic, no implications or statements in-show, no word of god, nothing.
saying “it does not work” doesn’t work.
Yes, and it barely works at all.
“instances of girls holding hands implies no platonic connections.”
see what i did there?
In the case of screencaps from the show and movies, I’d say yes, barring subtle “maybes” like Lyra and Bon Bon, instances of girls holding hands implies no romantic connections.
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“Two guys holding hands doesn’t mean gay either. It’s just a sign of care”
Bad example, considering most guys would call someone like that gay, as they have never seen such a thing happening. Maybe as a greeting, which occurs for like 3 seconds. No two guys “hold hands” without being romantically involved or father-son.
“Again, you’re blatently ignoring the lyrics to project your own desires.”
Uh, no, because you completely misunderstood my original comment
because i never said “all girls who hold hands are lesbians”, heck, i have twice now that this is exactly what i was not talking about(yet you seem to always go back to this)
Now i do what i did in my original comment, because this fits here as well:
I will throw your line back at you “Platonic friends could hold hands, but not every instance of girls holding hand means they are just friends”
Yes, it does. I’m saying “Not ever set of girls who hold hands are lesbians” to which you’re saying “How do you know?” Honestly that’s incredibly syereotypical of you. Two guys holding hands doesn’t mean gay either. It’s just a sign of care, not a sign of they’re in a romantic relationship.
So yes, it does fit the metaphor I described. Lesbian couples could hold hands, but not every instance of girls holding hand means theur lesbians. Again, you’re blatently ignoring the lyrics to project your own desires.
Like, if this is beyond you, I honestly don’t know what to say.
Exactly. I am not saying everyone who is a little close to someone else wants to marry them, but maybe some of them. We just don’t accept/realize it because we are taught to simply see it as being platonic even if it may not be.
@Background Pony #C471
your metaphor int he last paragraph does not fit the discussion, at all. You don’t seem to quite understand what i am talking about. Look at #0E00 reply to me, maybe that will help understanding my position better.
“it’s honestly pretty confusing.”
this pretty much confirms that you misunderstood me. Because whether you agree with me or not, it wouldn’t be confusing.
“People hold hands all the time, whether or not they’re in a relationship.”
because they have been taught by society that such a thing is platonic. Maybe these people would want to be in a (romantic) relationship if they hadn’t been taught that these feelings they are feeling towards that person is simply “friendship”
The only decent argument you bring is with the mother/son(i assume that is what you mean by girl and young boy) example, however that is the thing, these are two people who are VERY close to each other, much much closer than any friends these two have(at least at a young age of the child). You know who else eventually becomes family? Lovers. Not friends, lovers do.
Of course other than when a guardian takes the hand of a child simply to protect them, not out of any (whatever kind of)feelings, which is of course unrelated to this discussion because it simply happened to be a similar action.
“You can be a hero too. Take my hand I’m here for you!”
They are accompanying their lyrics with a motion to emphasize a point of being there for your friends - you know, pretty much what the seven of them do every movie.
That is it. There’s no grand romantic gesture in all of this at all.
I kinda see what you mean, I think. Might not be the case here, but I see the sense. Pretty heavy stuff.
We grow up and we learn what is socially acceptable. Nature did not program in us instinctively our social values. We look to our parents and/or elders to show us what is acceptable and what is not. Societal norms are a construct. They were manufactured. Man made. And sometimes they contradict reality.
Basically I think you’re talking about learned indoctrinations to the point of denial of actual reality, to sum it up.
When this first went up, when I saw it, it was tagged with “Lesbian”, “Shipping” and “Rarijack”. Good to see those tags got removed and don’t seem to be coming back. But I mean, it’s a little crazy that someone thought to tag that in the first time. “Oh, they’re holding hands, they’re totally lesbians!” That’s really stretching it.
@Kibate
…What? That doesn’t make sense. No, it doesn’t make sense when you think about it, it’s honestly pretty confusing. People hold hands all the time, whether or not they’re in a relationship. Holding hands is typically showing when people care about each other, but when you see a girl holding hands with a young boy you don’t think they’re in love. And not every instance of girls holding hands is lesbians either, isn’t that incredibly stereotypical that if they’re holding hands they must be lesbians?
Honestly, that’s like if I said “All unicorns are ponies but not all ponies are unicorns” and you said “Actually, I raise you this question, what if all ponies are unicorns?” When it factually isn’t true. Even as others pointed out, the song itself even mentions to hold hands, that’s not some pro-lesbian message.
It surprisingly makes a lot sense once you think about it(or rather once you accept there could be more gay people than you like to admit)
take this thought experiment: What if almost ever “close friendship” girls occasionally have are actually lesbians without realizing it? What if they simply think “It’s normal for me to be so close to this person and wanting to hold her hand and wanting to embrace her and wanting to kiss her, it’s not gay, it’s just friendship” because they have been taught so that it’s just friendship by society, while in a more open view they would so make love to that person.