@Ardashir  
I like that idea. :D

@Phantom Rider  
Which leads to Tirek heading for the Rock of Eternity and the wizard Shazam, AKA all the magic in the multiverse.
 
Unless Billy gets clever. “Okay, Tirek, you have all my magic, and everything that goes with it.”
 
Tirek: “Brat, what are you talking about?”
 
Billy, keeping Tirek between him and the sky: “Just this. SHAZAM!”
 
And Tirek gets lit up by a lightning bolt that can put Superman on the ropes.

@Ardashir  
Then we’re screwed!

What I’d like to see would be Tirek versus the Marvel (Shazam) family. What happens if he absorbs the magic from Billy, Freddy, and Mary?

@Background Pony #BB54  
No one has commented on this image in over a year, this debate was already over.

Okay, this ‘debate’ (more like pointless fight) needs to end. Now. Can’t we just all talk about how awesome the picture is? 😁

@mbeeston  
You’re completely missing the point. You can’t just assume that every single type if spell will harm Superman. Furthermore, just like what everyone else is saying, a spell has to be performed in a specific way that would cause significant harm to him. And it’s also a matter of how creative the user is. Raw power alone is not always enough.
 
Otherwise, a spell is useless. And don’t even get started on saying that Tirek is smart manipulative. He is cunning,but he’s still not a a very smart character. If anything, he has the intelligence of a streetwise teenager, and Superman is too smart to fall for any kind of trick he would try to pull up.
 
That’s also one thing you need to understand too. It’s not just a matter of each character’s abilities; it’s also a matter of how smart they are, and how creative they can get with their tactics.

@mbeeston  
Look pal, most of us comic fans don’t like it as much as you do. Unfortunately that’s how Superman is, he is THE SUPER MAN, the man who can do anything despite the odds. Oh standard Equestrian levitation spell can hold Superman please Superman got chain by magic constructs its unbreakable and is able to hold 10 men guess what? He broke it anyways. Got thrown into a magical forge that is able to melt anything that thrown into it GUESS WHAT HAPPENS TO SUPERMAN! YEAH HE GOT OUT JUST FINE……ish. Unless the spell is absolute it wont hurt Superman and even then it needs to be way stronger than any Kryptonians can withstand.

@mbeeston  
No ones saying magic has no effect on Superman. We are saying theirs no proof that Tirek’s attack is nothing more then just an explosive force of magic energy. In the show he never did anything creative with it. Even after absorbing DISCORDS power he still only displayed the same abilities. So it’s more likely he’s just got alot of raw magic but no specific spells to focus it in such a way. Let’s give a scenario. You shoot a magic beam of force at superman and it hurts. But won’t kill. However if you put that magic to smarter use in a way where it’s mean’t to do something specific then it’s a whole other story. Lets say instead you attack Superman through the use of a voodoo Doll instead. Whatever happens to the doll happens to him. He could actually die from something as simple as that. You just have to be creative with it. It’s like trying to use a gun by throwing the damn thing at your opponent instead of just pulling the trigger and letting the bullet do the work.

@mbeeston  
Your problem is that you’re assuming that the magic of Equestria works the same as the magic of other fictional universes.

you know what? if you people want magic to work in a way that superman wins ever goddamn time, go be a writer for DC comics, you’d be right at home, i’m done here. i can’t say what my spell does any plainer, you have a comprehension problem.

@Josh103  
i already did, if magic was made to dissolve atoms away from his body, he would be dissolved, durability or not, or were you not reading? or does that works some other way i’m not aware of?  
and technically if she had enough focus to hold all molecule motion with no exhaustion, yes she could, so could any homo-magi

@mbeeston  
You have to establish the rules of the magic involved. It’s something that isn’t quantifiable, which is why magic is these discussions is… rather dubious.
 
Sweetie Belle can probably restrain Superman then indefinitely if we assume that Equestrian magic has an effect on him at all.

he can be cut by keribrum weapons be cause they and cut atoms and electrons, and got around all his durability. i spell can do the same thing, it’s something you don’t get unless you read. if a spell does the same thing, he’s dead.

@Josh103  
get what? that he has denser then normal molecular bonds? what bout it  
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(Prime_Earth)
 
if the spell isn’t just force and dissolves atomic bonds, then density wouldn’t matter.
 
also the falling in to the magic forge analogy doesn’t hold, i can fall into a bond fire and be fine but burned, it’s not designee to destroy bodies.

@mbeeston  
I don’t think you get it.

@Josh103  
are you people trying to be morons?  
it wouldn’t matter what and how durable he is if it dissolves molecular bonds.

@Background Pony #3E0B  
Exactly! If people think that Tirek is one tough villain, they forget that Darkseid is someone that’s on a whole different level.
 
If there was a match between Darkseid and Tirek, Darkseid would demonstrate what REAL power is.

@Background Pony #328E  
Precisely the point that some of us are trying to establish. 😉

@moonlightaveger  
It’s still fun to discuss this, because it allows us to explore the possibilities of how the potentials in the characters work. So it’s not exactly pointless

@Phantom Rider  
Not exactly. Just because the beam is conducted through the use of magic, it doesn’t mean it’s going to incinerate him easily.  
It’s true that magic is one of Superman’s primary weaknesses, but it’s not on the level o kryptonite where he can’t touch it, let alone go near it. He can still be hurt by a magic beam, but it would take ALOT to actually kill him.
 
Let’s not forget that Superman’s body is a living battery, and he’s always absorbing solar energy, so it’s going to take more than one gigantic beam to downright kill him. It’s energy generated through magic, but it’s still energy in general. Which means it can still be countered by Superman.

@mbeeston  
I don’t think you know how comic book writers think. Magic rarely ever works the way it’s supposed to work. Think of “absolute” spells like Avada Kedavra from Harry Potter. Would it truly guarantee the kill on anyone? Or the classic “can a lightsaber cut through Superman”?
 
Those kinds of questions are a huge problem in crossover battle discussions. Some try to solve that with the idea of neutral universes and such, but eh.
 
Perhaps Twilight, Starlight and Sunset can do damage to early GA Superman, if they have strong enough transmutation power. The actual force they can apply with their magic however, basically any version of Superman can easily withstand it, same with even Tirek’s level. We don’t have a comparison of how well magic spells actually affect pones to say. Trixie with the alicorn amulet, with her removal of Pinkie’s mouth, might be able to to the same to Superman.
 
But we don’t even know how pony magic works. Is that a spell or simply raw magical force?
 
The only thing I see is that they can restrain Superman, but for how long?
 
Discord would be the only significant problem to most versions of Superman, as Mxy is basically Discord and there are plenty of stories of Superman being owned by Mxy, some even during the Silver Age if I remember correctly. And potentially Celestia, but HAHA Celestia being useful?

@Josh103  
unless the spell is designed to dissolve the bonding forces between atoms, it wouldn’t matter how durable he is, his atoms would just float away from each other. or the beam could be a transmutation spell and turn him into a orange. magic can do pretty much anything to someone who isn’t resistant or shielded.

Tirek only really has any chance against early Golden Age Superman even at his strongest. The magic is a problem but even that Superman was pretty durable.

@Background Pony #3E0B  
darkseid doesn’t use magic though.  
@Background Pony #328E  
this is also not my point, if the magic is meant too kill, disrupt the body, then it will kill him. you’re assuming this it just a basic energy blast, and it might be, but that’s not what i said in my statement. i said if the spell is made to destroy a body, then it would destroy his, it is that simple. a spell to destroy a body is not just a normal force push like you assume i said and meant. i should make it more clear. i am mean molecular disruption, not just pushing the body apart, cutting molecular bonds similar to molecular control not just pushing the atoms apart with force.