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He sees what he wants to see.
That is not how skepticism works. And nothing is without flaws.
That might be a bit of a stretch.
It’s only logical that skeptic mind will want to find flaws even if there are none.
I just explained ‘how’. What more do you want?
He complained about Starlight’s story being a retread of Moondancer’s only with a stupid direction taken after the crisis, ergo, it can rationally be inferred that he did not want to see that.
And that is contradiction how?
Well no, if this is what he wanted to see, he wouldn’t be saying he had a problem with it.
You see what you want to see.
Only in certain countries, and only with certain laws, and under specified conditions.
Yes. Damage which they do cause. Hence, a rather large percentage of prison inmates are repeat offenders who have committed the same crimes they’d just been released from having been previously incarcerated for.
That is speaking strictly from statistics with the sole qualifying criterion of ‘person’.
You seem to be confusing ‘punishment’ with ‘damage prevention’. Anybody can beat somebody to death with a rock. Not everybody can level a city and has a dogmatic ideology justifying the activity to them.
You’re talking about blaming people for the actions of others. We’re not talking about the actions of Starlight’s children here. We’re talking about Starlight herself. And for the record, ‘attempted murder’ is still a crime, even if its occurrence is harder to prove.
I know, that’s what I said the problem was.
Very well, let me establish a rational context for my hyperbole.
On earth, criminals (for the sake of this argument, individuals who act against a given code of laws) who serve their sentence are released back into society.
Assuming we don’t mutilate them, this does not preclude them from committing the same crime, thus, they still have the same potential for damage as they did before serving their sentence.
This potential is furthermore equal amongst every individual - nothing is, a priori, preventing anyone from committing a crime.
Applied to your implied argument that Starlight remains free despite still being able to commit more cross-causality atrocities, presuming those can be identified and traced back to her, this means that starlight should, even if the other worlds don’t count as an applicable crime, still be punished in some way, since she still has the capabilities to do it all over again. Which in turn means by this set of standards, we don’t need to assume innocence because plenty of people have the damage potential of bludgeoning someone with a rock, and even leaving murder and manslaughter out of the picture, the same applies to most every other crime, be it fraud, robbery, vandalism, jaywalking, arson, extortion, or any number of others, because everyone has the potential to cause some form of damage to the other.
Back to the statement about there being no accountability for someone as long as someone else resolves the problem for them.
Assuming Twilight didn’t work against Twilight, and the wartime Equestria world came to pass. No inhabitant of said world has any frame of reference to tell how the world “should” have been instead. Thus, there is no reason for anyone to assume time has been tampered with.
Assuming somehow someone got this impression, or possibly even proof, all that could be proven for Starlight is that she was being kind of a jerk to RD by sabotaging her sonic rainboom. It is hard to prove that a succesful rescue of the Crystal Empire hinges on the mane six being inspired by the rainboom, because while
If the m6 help out, Sombra will be defeated
M6 help out
Thus, Sombra will be defeated
is true, the opposite
If the m6 help out, Sombra will be defeated
Sombra isn’t defeated
Thus the m6 didn’t help out
Is only true presuming there even are any mane six to help out. Which you can’t assume just as much as you can’t assume captain planet to exist, because that presumes super heroes to exist.
Back to my argument about the great-grandchildren; considering we cannot know the future, it is unlikely we can preemptively avoid undesired developments. We can’t know who will commit a crime, we can’t know whose grandchild will become the next high profile public villain. Thus, even if starlight had to answer for sabotaging the sonic rainboom, nobody could reasonably know what the extent of her actions cause. Twilight’s statements to that effect would be impossible to prove, or disprove, and thus utterly worthless.
Therefore, Starlight is unaccountable for any of the effects of her time manipulation in any of the resulting worlds.
This ban will prevent user ro share critical opinion that move some brony to stop WW3, and now we are doomed.
You’re an anonymous user arguing from varying levels of irrational hyperbole. In order to avoid being banned again, this is the extent to which I will acknowledge your comment.
Right, the guy who happens to dent a traffic light fays his fine and also is still at large. Not to mention the billions of other motorists with just the same potential - and even worse, think of all the potential criminals while just walking downtown!
I think somewhere the argument stopped being about actual crimes.
Besides, even if it didn’t get solved, you think wartime Equestria could determine that yes, Starlight caused the death and enslavement of countless ponies? She was, at best, teasing a kid, and that’s assuming someone bothered to consider this in the context of “world ending crime”. There is no crime in “changing the world”, or do you want to start arresting people for having the potential to have great-grandchildren who grow up to be dictators? Where does the crime start?
Yeah, that’s one of the problems with time travel. There is zero accountability held for anyone who fucks everything up, as long as someone manages to un-fuck everything for them. Never mind that the person who caused the problems is still capable of damage on that scale and still free.
Good one. How do you put someone on trial for almost changing the past and for events that could have happened? How does one destroy the world several times and still ends up not destroying it at all? She never even harmed anyone directly - she was just hanging around at the flight camp (OK, she zapped Dash once or twice, but so did Twilight). And all you have on her is one eyewitness who claims to have seen bad futures…
You could totally lock her up for Equal Town though.
Aside from when the death of the world is undone through time travel. Then everyone is alive etc etc.
It doesn’t matter. Accidentally destroying the world is still destroying the world. Nobody’s going to be any less dead if you didn’t mean it and you’re sorry.
Point being that Equestria not punishing Starlight for destroying parallel worlds isn’t terribly different from countries on earth. Completely disregarding the lack of evidence, since the spell got destroyed, as well.
Don’t forget intent. Was the destruction of all of Equestria intentional? Or an unknown by-product?
it’s difference between reality and potential. potential i have destroyed thousands of possible ones realistically i haven’t done any such thing.
You don’t get charged for worlds you destroyed by making decisions here, either.
hmm fair point but i’d say tartus would be able to hold her.
though i do agree the with some otehr points about how equstria has a different set of morals.