@MLP-Silver-Quill  
>demeans self esteem  
Lies.  
Our culture is far more accepting of women’s issues and self esteem than almost any other culture on the planet.
 
Especially since this example you gave is nothing more than a worthless spin on something unfortunate that happened.  
I mean come on: Islanders find American programming  
Their culture changes, therefore our culture is at fault.  
Give me a break.

@Whatevs  
Spoken like a true ethnocentric.
 
The argument of the article was not that they accepted American beauty as superior, but rather that our culture excels at diminishing self-esteem.
 
Much the same way as presenting the idealized female, including as a princess.

@MLP-Silver-Quill  
>islander girls see thin girls  
>suddenly want to be thin
 
Seems open and shut to me.

@Whatevs  
“and if TV made people change their minds it probably means one standard of beauty is superior :P”
 
You obviously didn’t read the article. Please don’t mistake attitude for insight.

@MLP-Silver-Quill  
I already said that the standards of beauty change. They change with whatever desires the culture at large has. || and if TV made people change their minds it probably means one standard of beauty is superior :P ||  
But to say that the desire for beauty and the appeal of princesses is entirely manufactured is silly.
 
It’s far more likely that the princess is marketed because it is inherently appealing.

@Whatevs  
How do we define beauty? Before anyone says that beauty is arbitrary, please read up on a Fiji culture that encouraged and celebrated being overweight until culture shock set in thanks to American television.
 
I get that you’re not a supporter of culture influencing perception, yet I don’t understand what kind of counter-view you’re arguing.
 
Anyway, back to the topic that spawned this: hiding Luna away. Given her popularity even after she was redesigned for Luna Eclipsed, I’d say the darker coat and night association did nothing to decrease her appeal. If anything, I think she’s one of the more popular second-tier characters in the show.
 
So the producers who wanted her kept out of sight because she didn’t fit the “princess” mold should reassess their ideas of what appeals to little girls.

@Background Pony  
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/literally-hitler

@Background Pony  
I think the reasoning it is stupid, but deciding that something girls wont like shouldn’t belong is fine.

@Daruqe  
I don’t care what one dictionary says, that’s not what “literally” means.
 
@Whatevs  
How is a dark-colored character who’s associated with the night automatically not innocent? Personally, I suspect if Luna had gotten some more exposure during season 1, she wouldn’t have become the fandom’s darling; it seems her absence was fertile ground for loads of fawning fanfics and artwork, making her out to be the perfect pony princess in the absence of actual characterization on the show.
 
@ArrJaySketch  
I’m not part of the “Hasbro must die” group, but I continually facepalm at their regressive attitude towards their MLP toyline. Don’t they realize that the show handed them the girl-nerd market on a silver platter, and all they had to do was release a Twilight toy capitalizing on her love of books and learning? Instead, they release a talking Twilicorn toy that says stuff that Barbie would be embarrassed saying. Oy vey…

@Daruqe  
in some areas, yes, they do. Generally speaking they have different behavior and temperaments but that doesnt mean there is no common ground.
 
Nor does it mean that this can never change.

@Whatevs  
I misread your comment. I don’t know the context so I still don’t get your point, but I thought you said men and women like different things inherently.

@Daruqe  
No I;m not joking that there’s a relationship between what men find attractive and want women try to emulate.
 
I don’t know which comes first or they both play off of each other.  
I see no reason why this would be controversial

@Whatevs  
I hope to Jesus you’re joking.

@Amber  
I see.  
And that isn’t an accident. Men like certain things in women, and women like those things too.  
Part of reproductive strategies

@Whatevs
 
I was talking more about their own point of view towards Princesses.
 
Youth, security (or more like protection?) and beauty can still come to mind when it comes on how they usually view Princesses.

@MLP-Silver-Quill  
If you think beauty is sought because of some arbitrary societal influence (even though every society favors beauty) then we’re done here.
 
The standards of beauty can change but the appeal does not.
 
 
@Amber  
Royalty fantasies with men tend to have them being King or some top of the food chain thing.  
Not really the same thing.

@Whatevs  
I’ll stay, thanks.
 
Princesses are presented as young and beautiful is because that’s a cultural ideal and message.
 
When was the last time we heard a story of an average-looking princess?

@Whatevs
 
Thinking men don’t find those aspects appealing as well.

@MLP-Silver-Quill  
/yawn  
The reason princesses are appealing to young girls is not because of culture. It’s because females naturally find youth, security and beauty appealing.
 
Take your tabula rasa ideas elsewhere

Something I’d have asked her/them:
 
Do you see a chance that this alt setting is going to take off as its own ‘thing’ (like say, Touhou did) and maybe attract its own fanart and maybe even actual “official” releases from Lauren?

@ArrJaySketch  
Not only that, but some little girls might prefer toys that AREN’T pink or purple.

@MLP-Silver-Quill
 
This.
 
Disney are not the only ones,but they are definitely the main ones.

@Whatevs  
Culture is all about conditioning.
 
Ishmael by Daniel Quinn refers to “Mother Culture”, who whispers in your ear all the time. She/it influences your view of the world in ways none of us realize.
 
I did not mean to single out Disney as the sole cause of the princess craze, though they are the strongest example.

Wow, really, Hasbro? Little girls like all kinds of horses. I’ve never heard anyone say, “Ugh, I don’t like that color. Too dark. I can’t like that horse!”
 
My wife, who grew up with horses, love the “Black Beauty” reference in S1:E02.
 
A friend picked up a Nightmare Moon toy for his niece, and she freaking adores it. I’m glad Hasbro had a change of heart regarding that policy. :)

Yeah not much new or meaningful here.  
And since she won’t work on it again, the tidbit that she had plans for Twist is irrevelant too. (Sadly, ‘cause I wanted to see Twist’s growth more than Princess Friggin TS.)
 
@NostalgiaSchmaltz  
Silly argument.  
Not using Luna because little girls don’t like it. = valid  
What makes it silly instead is the assumption that small girls would not like a character like that.  
(When I was a little girl*, I’d have loved the hell out of a romantic blue Moon-themed character.)  
Assuming it is true and not just the usual Hasbro bashing of course.
 
*I’m making some parts of my life as I go.