@draxdrilox  
Considering how society actively excuses female rapists (and blames their victims if they happen to be male)…

@Background Pony #D299
 
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Most rapists think everyone else is a rapist”..the only kind of people that think everyone is a rapist are the feminists..

Dude I cant agree with you more bitches got there way I don’t mean women. I have the up most respect for women. I mean bitches who complain because they like being butt hurt.

@JetClam  
I’m going to rape you

I love the description, something great to read.

@Psycho333  
>Post Made Two Weeks Ago  
>Not Actually About Issue  
>Beating Dead Horse  
>Top Duck Confirmed

@Background Pony
 
@GargantuanBass
 
 
@kassarc16
 
 
You know the movement is dead right.
 
You are kinda beating a proverbial dead horse right now.

this is why people don’t like pony likers

@Background Pony  
Pinkiepony, go away. Nobody likes you.

@Background Pony  
Yeah. Better go complain on your tumblr. And pretend it actually does something.

@Background Pony  
Aww look, one of the cute little things is still around.  
_{I’ll hit it with a bat after someone throws a bag over it. Then we’ll throw it in the river.}

@JetClam
 
“Inarguable” was a poor word choice… bah, you get my point.

@Derpingtonthe20th
 
I was going to I’m far from naive, nor were my statements about feminism achieving its goals in the western world wrong. Just the opposite, in fact - that’s inarguable.
 
But for reasons that we’ve both pointed out, my saying that is moot. And as petty bickering over the internet isn’t worth such nastiness, sure thing, nothing else to do but let it go. Have a good one yourself.

@JetClam  
You know, I would go on, but your naivete is really disheartening. I thought you were more intelligent than to suggest that everything feminism could possibly stand for has already been achieved. In any case, this isn’t going anywhere; you got one thing right–we view the world in totally different ways. I’ll forgive you for your insults and rudeness if you’ll do the same for me. Have a good one.

@abackgroundpony  
You. I like you.

This perfectly summarizes the stupidity of this entire “movement.”
 
This and the fact that there are too many children and man/woman-children on the internet with too much time on their hands and who do too little of actual importance with their lives.
 
Nevermind protesting, or at the very least getting upset about, something that actually has importance, like the unconstitutional and illegal abuses of the NSA for example, let’s get all worked up over a satirical tumblr comic based on My Little Pony and attempt to make the jovial artist responsible for it into a pariah.
 
Grow up, people.

@Mayojar77  
Feminism was always about ignoring/demonising viewpoints that aren’t on your same wavelength, even if they’re from the ‘people’ you’re supposedly ‘defending’. They’re feminists, that’s what they do. As Horton would say “That’s my credo, mah mot-toe.” Derpington and his ilk are basically the final step in feminist evolutionary processes.

@Ahmed
 
Thank you. I try. ^^

@JetClam
 
This being part two to the post below, if it wasn’t clear.

By employing such exaggeration and histrionics, you are painting a picture of women as helpless weaklings who need to be coddled and pitied. Even assuming that any of your claims are ever correct, most people who have been wronged in some way, except to the most extreme extents, are able to brush it off and move on – provided that their skin is thicker than tissue paper. You, however, don’t. You whine, and whine, and whine - not even to draw attention to something meaningful or accomplish anything specific, but merely to feel like victims. You believe that you’re working towards fixing the “problems” that are ostensibly still there – how? Just saying “down with the macho establishment” over and over again fixes absolutely nothing. And I’m not just referring to some fringe groups either – I am referring to the very essence of the entire movement, regarding the fundaments of how and why they operate. The Down With Molestia movement is just the latest example to add to this whole clusterfuck.
 
As to abolishing the patriarchal, “macho” standard, I agree with your sentiment, but if you mean to imply that such a standard is still even present in Western courtrooms, then we must have very different ideas of what exactly this “standard” entails.
 
“So tell me: is that not an important issue? Is a person’s right to pursue happiness without having to fear institutional degradation not an important issue? You’re saying that it’s not; by equating the modern feminist movement with “throwing around meaningless platitudes, weasel words, and crutch-phrases,” “
 
Wrong-a~~mundo ~~ I’m saying that the right to pursue happiness without having some form of violence or injustice enacted against you because of your gender, has already been realized; I’m saying, that the modern feminist movement is NOT pursuing this goal, and that the actual actions taken by the movement are embodied in those practices, instead (saying that the feminist movement “is” weasel words and platitudes, is like saying that an internal combustion engine IS gasoline).
 
Your statement was made under the assumption that I agree with your premise, that the modern feminist movement is, in fact, pursuing this goal – an assumption which is wrong, as this is a premise that I have been showing to be false since the very beginning. To say that my statements infer what you’re claiming is a classroom example of a straw-man argument.
 
“you’re effectively turning a blind eye to the very real and important issues surrounding our society today. For shame, fool, for shame.””
 
They are not real. They are not important. They are not in our society, and they are not happening today.
 
The only correct word in that whole sentence is “you’re”.
 
“I’ll just reiterate this one more time before I go on to my next point so you’ll get it in your head. Women aren’t the “weaker sex,” and I never implied them to be so. However strong you may be as a person, prevailing persecution against you sucks; this goes for men too, especially because of the ostracism that follows anything but a strict adherence to the overly aggressive “macho” ideal. Strength has nothing to do with it.”
 
Seeing as how your need to do this originated from your own ineptitude in comprehending another person’s statements, I’d like to redirect you to the above section, wherein I thoroughly describe how you DID, and ARE, implying them to be so.
 
The second half of the paragraph does have merit. However, I would like to remind you that this sort of thing only happens anymore in isolated cases, particularly in poorer and less-educated areas in which sexism is only one of the many problems they have to deal with.
 
“And saying “I know how it feels” doesn’t make you any less of a sanctimonious prick. If you’re blind to the staggeringly unbalanced and overly simplified view of gender roles that most people still carry, then so be it, that’s you. Just don’t ignore the fact that important issues still exist that affect us all, of both genders, and that turning a blind eye to them isn’t going to help. I don’t agree with the whole “Down with Molestia” thing—it’ll blow over in a week or two, I’m guessing—but I disagree even more with the angry rantings about how feminism will destroy us all. It’s quite a big jump from “oh look some trolling” to “down with feminism,” one that is missing too many steps to properly count as logical. The above image doesn’t represent the whole, not at all. Just think for a second, will you?”
 
I am by no means sanctimonious, nor am I a prick – I just can’t be arsed, sitting by and watching presumptuous, self-absorbed jack-asses like you cultivate this psychology of guilt and shame in people who have done nothing to deserve it. I’m not going to sit by and further estranging people from each other and erecting boundaries where none are meant to be.
 
Everywhere we look, we see the ways in which we reap the fruit of yesterday’s fight for social equality. Every single day, the memory of these gender-roles fades further and further, and soon it’ll be no more than a footnote of a prior chapter in human history. Now, that you think that people still hold those gender roles today, that you believe these issues are still important, I don’t doubt – you’ve made it pretty clear that you’re living in the past, before the over two-hundred years of social reform and sacrifice which have given us the groundwork upon which a level playing field has been built, a platform to work towards a society that, one day, may be free of violence and intolerance and hate in all of its forms. I’m not at all surprised that you think the way you do.
 
And you’re right, it doesn’t – the whole is represented by far, far worse. Countless marches, demonstrations, and petty organizations which waste more space and more breath than DWM ever could exemplify the level of puerile, sensationalist disgrace that the feminist movement has fallen to – the only thing it has left.
 
Nothing that your movement is doing is going to help anyone. This is not only because the problems they’re based on fighting don’t exist in the places they say they do, but because they aren’t even attempting to provide any concrete solutions. How, exactly, do feminists “plan” on “fixing” these purported problems with society? By making people want to rip their ears out? The truth is that everything that the feminist movement is and does today boils down to the very same paltriness as the DWM movement, and until you move on from this skewed perspective of society, that isn’t going to change.
 
“No, I didn’t. It doesn’t fail because what you say is patently untrue. My point, which I stick by, is that however silly and idiotic the “Down with Molestia” movement is, it does not automatically translate to modern feminism. JetClam was vainly trying to make the argument that a small incidence by a small subgroup of people automatically convicts all in the overarching group; in other words, he was trying to pull some strange stereotyping action, a rather poorly thought-out move.”
 
In the words of Guy Montag; “Did you hear them, did you hear these monsters talking about monsters?
 
You can wrap your feeble assertions in as many empty adjectives as you want; you can put on any air you please, to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about when you don’t – it doesn’t mattter, because anyone who isn’t a total cretin can see right through it. Trying to make a lie into truth by telling it over and over isn’t going to work in the face of people who can actually think for themselves, and in the past few pages, nigh everything you’ve said crumbles apart like a carpet made out of eggshells. The truth is that he was right, and your argument did fail; as a matter of fact, the section that he pointed out was the single weakest part of your entire post.
 
You claim to be strong, but all of your arguments have been those of a coward – insecure, and bitter. You lot claim to want to help protect people by tearing down a purported patriarchal establishment, but all you ever do is waste everyone’s time, complaining about nothing (without even offering any solutions), preying on the frivolous and the innocuous to try and salvage together a reason for your movement to keep on existing, and, when people call you out for it, you descend like locusts to shout it down and excuse it away – and all while, you could be actually doing something to help someone, but don’t. You’re pathetic – but you act proud.
 
I’ve already wasted a good part of my day on you, and on reviewing, I believe that I’ve covered everything there was to cover. There’s no more to be said. You want to keep arguing? Go ahead, I don’t care; you can’t see your error because we fundamentally differ in how we view the world, and all I can possibly expect to receive for my efforts is more unfounded bullcrap veiled in petulance and pompous conceit. I’m done.

@Derpingtonthe20th
 
“Well, it’s clear to me that you are talking entirely out of your ass. Are you really being serious in any way, shape, or form?”
 
Really. Of all the generic, predictable, downright petulant things that you could have possibly said, you have to go to the absolute bottom of the barrel and throw out a bald assertion that I’m “talking entirely out of (my) ass”, and then follow it up by asking a feeble rhetorical question about whether I’m serious, even though anyone with a brain-stem should have no problem seeing that I am.
 
Aaaand then you proceed to address the points that I made anyway (sparingly, but hey, it’s something), showing that you know they are serious - in fact, I don’t think there’s a SINGLE way wherein your statement fails to be collapse in on itself.
 
Well, this is a bad sign of things to come… but let’s forge on, shall we?
 
“You think men and women are totally equal in every single way in every single subject? Tell me, then: how so?”
 
… it’s not obvious? Well, how about the fact that there’s no reason they shouldn’t be? To look at people as gender groups to begin with is absurd - just as much so as looking at entire races or ethnicities, and making blanket statements for them as a whole, is. The only way to arrive at any sort of meaningful truth about someone is to look at them as an individual. Who they are. That is what matters - that is the only thing that matters. Not what color their skin is, not which chromosome they happened to end up with, but who they are as a person.
 
But if someone insists on establishing such boundaries between people over something completely frivolous and stupid, then the responsibility of demonstrating the purported dichotomy lies on the person saying so. Which, thank the powers that be, you at least tried to do. Not correctly, as… well, I’ll just show you:
 
“I mean, let’s take a look at the issue of rape. In almost every single male-on-female case, the first question that comes up is inevitably “What was she wearing?” or “Was she drunk?” Victim-blaming is so utterly prevalent that it’s impossible to ignore; if, as you say, feminism had achieved everything it needed to and should be gone already, then that wouldn’t be a problem.”
 
Is this the crux of your argument? Anecdotes about statements made by the occasional yahoo on the news, far-right-wing pundits (who are usually putting on an act to try and get ratings), or people on social media sites like youtube/tumblr/facebook?
 
Alright then, let’s go:
 
Your first mistake here is in thinking that the backwards, parochial trash that oozes out of the every orifice of traditionalists and quasi-popular media thespians are at all a representation of common opinion, let alone the opinions of the portion of society that actually matters. These questions come up eventually, but have you ever asked yourself – from whom, and why? The answer to the first question is that there’s always SOMEONE who is going to hold a stupid opinion like this, just like there’s always going to be serial killers and rapists and complete sociopaths who plague humanity, and that their voice has the chance to be hears just as everyone else’s – even though in neither case are these people ubiquitous. The answer to the second is that those questions are staples of theirs - it always comes up because having even one of these people is enough to shake the bee-hive, just like dropping a lone shark into a tank can cause a scrambling, frenzied mess of blood and flesh which, to an onlooker, doesn’t clearly convey whether there’s one shark, or twenty.
 
Your second mistake is in not accounting how the audience as a whole responds to such questions. For how “prevalent” and “inevitable” the aforementioned victim blaming is, what should certainly tell you something is how unpopular they are. Riddle me this - when was the last time you went on youtube, or facebook, stumbled across a page about this issue, and found that such a comment was top-rated - hell, the last time you saw that it wasn’t buried under a torrent of downvotes and negative responses (assuming there was a significant number of people viewing)? The vast majority of people who see these statements recognize them for the trite they are – so to say that it’s a problem with society at large, or to act as though most people even remotely need to have this sort of thing preached to them, is simply untrue.
 
One last point to consider; has it ever crossed your mind that rape is an immensely serious issue, the sort of crime that can spell death for someone if found guilty (or at least life imprisonment, which isn’t much better)? And has it occurred to you that, for this reason, a lot of folks aren’t exactly eager to loose the guillotine? Maybe, just MAYBE, not everyone who does this is “victim blaming” - maybe it’s just these peoples’ misguided way of giving the accused the benefit of the doubt, like you’re SUPPOSED to?
 
“Women worldwide either can’t even report it for fear of being persecuted by law (less developed nations) or by the public (developed nations), let alone get any meaningful justice on their part.”
 
The first part of this statement is true, but the second is complete and total garbage.
 
Due to the vestigially backwards nature of some countries, like Turkey, and the explicitly backwards nature of nations in the Levant and Africa, there is indeed a great deal of sexism and oppression of women going on there – funnily enough, what happens in those parts of the world doesn’t justify demonstrating in Western cities and preaching to/raising accusations against Western crowds, and especially not on the internet, which is filled mostly with people from the developed world.
 
As to the claim that rape victims in Western society are persecuted by the public… are you out of your mind? Personally, I’d be shocked to see anyone raise a word, let alone a hand against any rape victim, either in public or to their face, because of what they suffered, and not end up being lambasted (at the worst), beaten (which is more likely), or KILLED. The reason most rapes aren’t reported is because of shame, because the rapist was close to them (and even after what they put them through, they don’t want to put them in prison), or because of a lack of tangible evidence – none of which is even remotely “persecution”. And in that last case, the whole question is moot, because if no solid proof can be procured, then the possibility that the accused is innocent is very, very real – not just for rape, but for ANY crime, and the benefit of the doubt always goes towards the accused. Justice is not a case of “Kill them all, God will know his own”. Even if the victim truly was raped, if it cannot be shown beyond the shadow of the doubt that the accused is guilty, then there is nothing anyone can do.
 
“That’s fucked up. I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about with the whole “you view women as the weaker sex” thing—I don’t, I just call out serious cases of sexist idiocy when I see it because I’ve seen what it does to people—but I do know that being strong and independent alone won’t always work in your favor. Discrimination is discrimination, plain and simple. Don’t let me even get started on the double standard of female-against-male—the sooner we get rid of overtly patriarchal, “macho” ideals as some sort of realistic bar to reach, the sooner we can actually look at criminal cases equally.”
 
Firstly, if you had bothered to read my statement correctly, you would know that I had never said “you view women as the weaker sex” - I said that your actions are reinforcing the idea of women being weak in the minds of your audience, and that it is apparently the image you were trying to convey (even if you don’t really intend to). It wasn’t specifically a criticism of what you believe, but a criticism of your execution of these beliefs.
 
Secondly, to claim that you’re merely “call(ing) out serious cases of sexist idiocy” is just ridiculous. It’s not true, but to understand why it’s not true, you need to come to terms with how immensely smaller and less severe the scope and intensity of the situation actually is compared to what you believe it to be (i.e., it is NOT “serious”) , as well as understanding what it is exactly you’re doing when you, in your words, “call out” these “serious cases of sexist idiocy”. You and your movement do not call out any serious sexism, because no serious sexism exists on a cultural level (at least, not in the cultures you are accusing it of existing in) – rather, it’s imagining sexism where there is pluralism and mutual respect, invoking a bogeyman and creating an atmosphere of injustice where the exact opposite environment is established. And then, in speaking out about your beliefs in the way that you are (going on self-absorbed tirades, using transparently manipulative rhetorical tactics, waging crusades against straw, and so on), you are taking crimes that have been committed against these people, and attributing or correlating said crimes directly to the victims’ gender – not just implying that the female gender is a target, which it isn’t, but implying that it is a *ripe*target, and that the entire gender is vulnerable to the abuses which you are accusing others of committing, somehow because they are of that gender.

@Derpingtonthe20th  
I really don’t think there’s a place for stupidity such as this.  
You are ignoring every reason provided that you are wrong, and reiterate arguments that have been rendered obsolete. You are an insult to the ideals you are trying to preach, as are the people you are defending. Feminism has become a shadow of it’s former self, and you have your head so far up your rectal cavity that you cannot see that.

@Deserter  
No, I didn’t. It doesn’t fail because what you say is patently untrue. My point, which I stick by, is that however silly and idiotic the “Down with Molestia” movement is, it does not automatically translate to modern feminism. JetClam was vainly trying to make the argument that a small incidence by a small subgroup of people automatically convicts all in the overarching group; in other words, he was trying to pull some strange stereotyping action, a rather poorly thought-out move.
 
@Jarntazecht  
The rant length wasn’t the issue. The content within said rants are the issue, specifically that “some overzealous feminists saying something=all feminists are misandrist, free-speech hating assholes.” Read first.
 
Whatever, I’m out of here. Peace

@Derpingtonthe20th  
If you have a problem with long rants, then don’t make long rants.